From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2018 01:50:46 -0700 From: Kurt H Maier To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20181004085046.GA562@wopr> References: <212BE98CB8836987E226EAC522589E24@ewsd.inri.net> <884BE8B1-6929-4EC3-8B4D-CA9D3A24C266@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <884BE8B1-6929-4EC3-8B4D-CA9D3A24C266@gmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ? Topicbox-Message-UUID: e6f03958-ead9-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:50:35AM +0100, Rui Carmo wrote: > I wouldn=E2=80=99t allow the passive-aggressive mood that surfaces here= from=20 > time to time to turn me off the project.=20 How about regular aggressive? Starting with "what project?" We're gonna slap down an alpine rootfs and throw plan9port in /bin? Every single person on this list has heard=20 this exact "idea" with this exact lack of coherent expression at least=20 twelve times before, probably from me. The problem here is, in a record few number of posts, this person has demonstrated a desire to mix two operationg systems while demonstrating fundamental misunderstandings of both of them -- then in some kind of incompetence coup de gras, managed to display an utter ignorance of software development en route. A fine display of efficiency! most Kickstarter projects, for instance, take years to demonstrate this degree of overconfident ineptitude!=20 This sort of garbage post results in flames because it's attention-seeking nonsense of the kind that generates many upvotes on web forums, but no actual goddamn software.=20 > That said, I=E2=80=99m fascinated by how often (and how quickly) some t= hreads=20 > devolve into =E2=80=9Cthere is no point in doing that=E2=80=9D or =E2=80= =9Cwe don=E2=80=99t need=20 > those modern contraptions=E2=80=9D arguments - reminds me a lot of some= of=20 > the hard boiled academia types I used to work with back when VMS=20 > started losing ground.=20 You're not fascinated by shit; that's a medium- to low-quality rhetorical dodge to throw mud at straw men. Stand by your opinions, soldier -- you don't get bonus points for fake rumination. For the=20 record, I think it's a fine idea, but this guy isn't the one who's=20 gonna cross that finish line. Not this decade, at least, and I'd=20 lay good money that it's not next decade, either. If nothing else, by the time you get a decent clip down this road, you come to understand why the locals were laughing as you passed them. > As much as some folk here are not exactly fond of various nuances of=20 > modern tech (from Linux to X to git, etc.), I don=E2=80=99t think ther= e=E2=80=99s=20 > any need for dissing personal efforts to use or improve various=20 > aspects of Plan9 (including, horror of horrors, making the user land=20 > a bit more modern and usable, or at least more accessible to=20 > mainstream users). Efforts? More hypothesizing? or is there some effort happening somewhere here? Anyway, needlessly or not, I'm not dissing any effort. I'm dissing a person; 100% USDA Prime Ad Hominem, just ask Irving Copi=20 if it ain't. =20 You know what the best part is? If I've got it all wrong, and this person is indeed the Palamedes who will round out our unixy alphabet, then I'll still get to use the software. So let's all hope I'm wrong! But I'm not. > I=E2=80=99m just going to fetch my vitriol wiper now. Happy to help, khm