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[2a02:1811:e405:5900:7d06:8520:e822:44f9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y63sm8699067wmd.21.2021.02.11.00.58.26 for <9fans@9fans.net> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:58:27 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:57:39 +0100 From: Jens Staal To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] patches from 9front Message-ID: <20210211085739.4lwrl3z5pdtsfhae@Krypton> X-Operating-System: Arch Linux, kernel 5.10.14-zen1-1-zen X-Message-Flag: WARNING!! Outlook sucks X-Info: Keep It Simple, Stupid. References: <7bd26df9-f2fb-448d-8be0-c23ebda89c56@www.fastmail.com> <155A44744BAB376330DD0F382387969A@eigenstate.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 5312bddc-6c47-11eb-93c6-de5b43c9e8b4 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UYzgyOTM5ZjFmZGEwZTQ3OS1NMTcyMzAxNDY2Y2NlMTY1MDJkY2Qy?= =?UTF-8?B?OTkzPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M172301466cce16502dcd2993:1:d4d8nNGKOS1iE0H9KxCI35LUrVc2S6ryf5jKmA1v2JU On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 09:24:38AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 2/11/21, ori@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Quoth David du Colombier <0intro@gmail.com>: > >> 9legacy patches are available as "unified diff" format and > >> are generated with "ape/diff -Nru". > > > > Alright, noted for the future. > > >=20 > Here's what I' ve been thinking about that may be worth sharing: I'd > like to have working 9legacy, 9pi (which I'd like to call 9muller, > frankly, if only for clarity, but also because it is what I run on my > i386 workstation, not yet the network server), 9atom and last, just to > emphasise it is NOT least, 9front. Each of those have useful > differences and even though I never really make any progress, I like > to think that there is "One plan 9" struggling to be born from these > variations. > That would be great. One could even think of a model where there is a common repository for the "common base" (sort of like illumos) and that the current OSes remain with their own identities as "distros" or "spins" from that common base. It is not bad per se that people have differing visions and/or community cultures, and that these can be cultivated in different ways. With a common base/upstream, improvements to one could easily also be implemented by the others. Personally I would love to see a "spin" that takes Sigrid's 9front rio modifications for workspaces and theming and make them default. For me that has become a huge improvement in the UI of Plan9. Hopefully that work will continue and improve further. > Would the Plan 9 Foundation be interested in proposing to this > community that such a concept be pursued and properly maintained and > laying down a project path to achieve this objective? Could there be > much smaller portions of such an objective that could be progressively > achieved in a distributed, centrally managed manner? >=20 Hosting the common base at the foundation would be logical, I think. > Lucio ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tc82939f1fda0e479-M17230= 1466cce16502dcd2993 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription