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List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Me09f8341e9c38135813ead15:1:O2lDnYsoDiWSHZEcNBHvKZIRo48H8H_FeSYB2lyPb58 I have physical issues with trying to perform fine-grained mouse operations (uncontrollable small hand tremors). The net effect is that anything more much specific than window selection is difficult and takes several seconds - pretty much the antithesis of the study results that showed that editing using the mouse to point to where you want to type, select text, etc was as efficient as keyboard-driven edit. To give an idea of the scale of the problem, it's difficult to get the mouse positioned into the scrollbars or the command bar of acme windows, let alone point between two specific characters for inserting new text. So, my question is, are there any viable alternatives for use with Plan9? Throwing special hardware at the problem unfortunately isn't all that viable mainly due to budgetary issues - all the other environments I use support keyboard short-cuts for just about everything, so it's hard to justify spending any significant amount of money for what is essentially a low-priority hobby. If the answer is just to use sam, I can do that, but it doesn't really help the problem of needing to copy/paste previous commands in terminal windows, etc. Hopefully I'm missing something obvious.... Thanks. Dworkin ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T716c5aa0e2aa8a27-Me09f8= 341e9c38135813ead15 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription