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it makes sense if you think about it). Kinda sorta ;-) You might want to put a one-liner at the top of the index page (right after the ``hardware'' label that comes before the ``come and take it'' image) along the lines of ``please find information about specific makers/brands/whatever in the menu at left''. For whatever reason, it wasn't obvious that the brands were subordinate to the landing page; they looked to be at the same level. This is quite possibly a rendering quirk of my browser, which shows such menus fully expanded rather than as a cascade that you pull a mouse through. The large image and ``FOR SALE'' right under it may have acted to distract me from rendering niceties on the left, as well. So, quite possibly purely a user error at my end, but it might not hurt to be more explicit. Just a suggestion, of course. Thanks for the explanation. 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