Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ]

[ori@eigenstate.org]

Quoth vic.thacker@fastmail.fm:
> Sadly, I don't have what it takes to bridge the gap. I think that my 
> idea of mending the communities is too grand. Also, I'm saddened 
> to see the more I try to help the worse the situation becomes. 

The communities are mending more or less fine, at least
among the people who actually hack on things. Code is
shared and imported in both directions, and discussion
is happening.

What is making things worse for you is back seat driving.
Starting from a position of contributing work might go
over well. Trying to tell me how I should spend my time
will require you to pay me.

For example:

> I have my own personal Plan 9 distribution that I have been using 
> for years, circa 2006.

Why should I listen to you about how to heal fractured
communities, when you have a community so fractured, it
has one member, and was effectively a secret for 18 years?

A first step would be putting it out there. A second would
be listing the changes you've felt the need to make. Ideally
with some reasoning.

If that's out there, I'll happily look through, and if it
makes sense, I'll integrate parts into 9front. The 9legacy
folks may or may not, but at least they'll have the choice.

So:

> but I find it  challenging to contribute. 

If you want to change that, I think the first step is
starting with some humility. Instead of trying to make
other people into your unpaid interns, start by figuring
out how to contribute.

Find a bug. Write a patch. Send a fix. Work on a specific
problem. Realize that people will only pay attention after
work gets done.

But, I've said this before. I don't expect it will get
listened to this time either.


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