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Wed, 15 May 2024 07:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2125FC8F3E50D08B3EC8340939FAD0C9@eigenstate.org> To: 9fans@9fans.net Subject: Re: Clarifying Lucio's Additional Requests [Was: Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9. ] Date: Wed, 15 May 2024 10:52:28 -0400 From: ori@eigenstate.org In-Reply-To: <65a54c1e-d042-49f2-9060-9c19a5154916@app.fastmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: c547bf7e-12ca-11ef-b38c-2cc4038c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UOWJmNDBlOTQ0OGM4NzhhYi1NYmIzMzQzZWE3ODc1ZmMwY2ExMzRm?= =?UTF-8?B?MzU2Pg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:Mbb3343ea7875fc0ca134f356:1:QZyJ893MwQz5NE1t2E2UAY_8gKhQngWbgeJrYLgXo-s Quoth vic.thacker@fastmail.fm: > Sadly, I don't have what it takes to bridge the gap. I think that my=20 > idea of mending the communities is too grand. Also, I'm saddened=20 > to see the more I try to help the worse the situation becomes.=20 The communities are mending more or less fine, at least among the people who actually hack on things. Code is shared and imported in both directions, and discussion is happening. What is making things worse for you is back seat driving. Starting from a position of contributing work might go over well. Trying to tell me how I should spend my time will require you to pay me. For example: > I have my own personal Plan 9 distribution that I have been using=20 > for years, circa 2006. Why should I listen to you about how to heal fractured communities, when you have a community so fractured, it has one member, and was effectively a secret for 18 years? A first step would be putting it out there. A second would be listing the changes you've felt the need to make. Ideally with some reasoning. If that's out there, I'll happily look through, and if it makes sense, I'll integrate parts into 9front. The 9legacy folks may or may not, but at least they'll have the choice. So: > but I find it challenging to contribute.=20 If you want to change that, I think the first step is starting with some humility. Instead of trying to make other people into your unpaid interns, start by figuring out how to contribute. Find a bug. Write a patch. Send a fix. Work on a specific problem. Realize that people will only pay attention after work gets done. But, I've said this before. I don't expect it will get listened to this time either. ------------------------------------------ 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9bf40e9448c878ab-Mbb334= 3ea7875fc0ca134f356 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription