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(Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Correlation-ID: <23e2497f-3329-451b-89bb-1d08e7e8d278@sirjofri.de> Topicbox-Policy-Reasoning: allow: sender is a member Topicbox-Message-UUID: 2ed1df04-1115-11ef-8e2d-fd0c068c7b06 Archived-At: =?UTF-8?B?PGh0dHBzOi8vOWZhbnMudG9waWNib3guY29tL2dyb3Vwcy85?= =?UTF-8?B?ZmFucy9UY2YxMjhmYTk1NWI4YWFmYy1NOTA5NmY0YTMzMmUxOTM0YTk5OTMy?= =?UTF-8?B?OTNkPg==?= List-Help: List-Id: "9fans" <9fans.9fans.net> List-Post: List-Software: Topicbox v0 List-Subscribe: Precedence: list Reply-To: 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> List-Unsubscribe: , Topicbox-Delivery-ID: 2:9fans:437d30aa-c441-11e9-8a57-d036212d11b0:522be890-2105-11eb-b15e-8d699134e1fa:M9096f4a332e1934a9993293d:1:HCS7aBEWcQf3lg_d1t5h7i4GnCASXv0rLlVW4PX6ELM 13.05.2024 12:12:49 ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 11:57 AM, sirjofri wrote: >> So, you could say, plan 9 from bell labs is the last released version, 4= th edition. The others (9legacy, 9front, ...) are also plan 9, just not pla= n 9 from bell labs. > > I personally prefer to call my fork based on plan9. I didn't write or inv= ent plan9. Nor is my version a replacement or a continuation of plan9 it is= fork based on plan9. I guess that's the difference in nomenclature. For me, a plan9 system is a = system in the spirit of plan 9 from bell labs, using the concepts described= in the papers and implemented in the bellabs sources. Similar to unix, whi= ch includes all the unices. For you, plan9 is explicitly plan 9 from bell labs. I don't think any of those definitions is "wrong" because there's no offici= al definition. But I believe that we have to talk about the different syste= ms using words. If I think about grouping operating systems based on concep= ts, we have all the doses, all the windowses, all the unices, and then (bas= ed on your definition) "plan 9 and forks of plan 9". For me, it's "all plan9 systems", which includes belllabs plan9, 9legacy, 9= front and so on. That's one of the reasons I name 9front "a plan9 system", = not "the plan9 system", because there are a few different distributions/for= ks. > On Monday, 13 May 2024, at 11:57 AM, sirjofri wrote: >> And if people want just a continuation of the concepts (the concepts whi= ch are commonly understood as "plan 9"), 9front is also one of those contin= uations, same as 9legacy or any other fork that tries to live those concept= s. > As I said before I view 9front as one fork of plan9 and one I'm respectin= g. You do a good job and people who use your fork surely benefit from your = work. I wish I contributed more. I once tried to get at least one mention per 9fr= ont release, but that didn't work out. 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