From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Lyndon Nerenberg Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5DC383A1-123E-410E-B937-F3E9224CD980"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Message-Id: <251E59BE-8F7D-44E1-8F7D-44E604AD3220@orthanc.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.2 \(1874\)) Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 14:33:10 -0700 References: <6bf285fdbd7631786f271f0a59aef64e@pi.att> <93744421-726D-4E20-8612-79CD50A6D119@9srv.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <93744421-726D-4E20-8612-79CD50A6D119@9srv.net> Subject: Re: [9fans] [GSOC] plan9 which arch code to use? Topicbox-Message-UUID: e1d7e520-ead8-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Apple-Mail=_5DC383A1-123E-410E-B937-F3E9224CD980 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On May 7, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > What some folks are suggesting is that some coordination would yield = better results; that we can do better than the "everyone going off and = doing their own thing" part of the above scenarios. >=20 > I believe Erik's point about "falling into disrepair" is that if = everyone is spending time fixing the same issues, each on their own = without any coordination, is that the resulting system will increasingly = fail to keep up with the evolution of the surrounding world. Even if the = code for all the parts I need to drive exist, that's not the same as = having a running system. I do think there is an analogy to be made with the 4.x BSD releases. = They were few and far between, but they were also the prescriptive = reference points for that UNIX fork. There was a lot of development = that branched off from the UCB code base. But much of what was of = benefit to all (device drivers, VM enhancements, apps) was folded back = into the core. The CSRG encouraged that. And with the CSRG releases as = a reference, it wasn't that difficult to share local modifications = between sites. But the Labs are not the CSRG. There is no longer a central focus point = for the code base. Not in the community sense =96 the Labs are no = longer interested. We are losing the 'reference implementation' from = which the branches can be compared. Without an anchor we will drift off = in many incompatible directions, to the point where code sharing will = become so annoying it just won't happen (in the kernel at least, and in = the /dev/* user space as a side effect). --lyndon --Apple-Mail=_5DC383A1-123E-410E-B937-F3E9224CD980 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTaqaWAAoJEG8PnXiV/JnUncsQAI1AvojhtB/+ZWY8g49MYqDM EjjqgUwPP2RJNG9yO5OwpByHEAPEXOPNWsODr+fenWlebz2YW6mYlSzAMAKxpSLG CB7BOE/FvEVyR6P69H+kVweNjEXEEpo6yCNiu6Or3GdtjdNm3BYvUwZQCoL8dKvv UlbraDxR1ozRbMD4iRPsdvyoN4SjAkOJpSApw07Q2/3x2Y88fCM1MuXYnS4V+kZT Y+5wLX56pe/LSnX6KF6ab3gcDIZw8ZwLrTyTXs3DY7C80qYGAlnO15wtwe+7IgWH xDgzlEy1mUWGmxRoeVIc1ulLnGJc9K4/ui4SoBbsCgdKGvS/9c4gSF14I94fuhZ+ /fhXgLUVJR0D3LVh1wcjys7/M8XoOi156zgSyr+8o52LgD3M7Ctb+SYVH7OM69Fv 1JtAhOvFxQ+e74QSiWSAFkbLfFuw6IieBikXwJ/DUrSrR+SUFySf2hwBWJQ4Xx7b /2IUpfWTaKOzHiFNp3L7VqcEBsYfeoE5L/yqapvkqvjkg6c/1JrH1rzbkVNx2DtM 6Do9YW8pw/rJKMF8NIULd6LwKSyf4NoOdCxClE4ZTjpRSqZCTvWah8BLnjZAkzez Nz3GoiY+l2XJoHJZvhFj6jYeGi4ebQlFMH5GhvkPuESbP8YUKRg2YlpGIbw3Y4zT u5auh3qK7RMZrXEjN1xy =7z1H -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_5DC383A1-123E-410E-B937-F3E9224CD980--