From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:28:45 -0500 From: LiteStar numnums To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14303_7004915.1131035325912" Subject: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? Topicbox-Message-UUID: a3bf79f4-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_14303_7004915.1131035325912 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, Did something major change on the VESA ISO from 9grid.de ? I use it alot here, and recently (yester eve? morn?) grabbed a fresh copy to install on a machine here, which not only died when starting rio, but took about 1/2 hour to actually start. After much digging, I found the old CD, which worked fine. I can give more specifics if this would help. Thanks in advance, -- Stefan -- The subject of this essay (the Myth of Sisyphus) is precisely this relationship between the absurd and suicide, the exact degree to which suicide is a solution to the absurd. The principle can be established that for a man who does not cheat, what he believes to be true must determine his action. Belief in the absurdity of existence must then dictate his conduct. It is legitimate to wonder, clearly and without false pathos, whether a conclusion of this importance requires forsaking as rapidly possiblean imcompre- hensible condition. I am speaking, of course, of men inclined to be in harmony with themselves. << Albert Camus>> ------=_Part_14303_7004915.1131035325912 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello all,
 Did something major change on the VESA ISO from 9grid.de? I use it alot here, and recently (yester eve? morn?) grabbed a fresh copy to install on a machine here, which not only died when= starting rio, but took about
1/2 hour to actually start. After much digging, I found the old CD, which w= orked fine. I can give more specifics if
this would help. Thanks in advance,
 -- Stefan

--
The subject of this essay (the = Myth of Sisyphus) is precisely
this relationship between the absurd and = suicide, the exact
degree to which suicide is a solution to the absurd. = The=20
principle can be established that for a man who does not cheat,
what= he believes to be true must determine his action.
Belief in the absurdi= ty of existence must then dictate his
conduct. It is legitimate to wonde= r, clearly and without
false pathos, whether a conclusion of this importance
requires forsa= king as rapidly possiblean imcompre-
hensible condition. I am speaking, = of course, of men
inclined to be in harmony with themselves.
 &n= bsp;<< Albert Camus>> ------=_Part_14303_7004915.1131035325912-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:39:30 +0100 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? Message-Id: <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: a3c39868-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good day. On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:28:45 -0500 LiteStar numnums wrote: > Hello all, > Did something major change on the VESA ISO from 9grid.de > ? The kernels that are run are from April and the rest from the distrib- ution from Bell Labs. The reason could be that these kernels get in- compatible to the userland. If that happens, then I have to stop the generation of the ISO and we have to wait until the VESA integration is completed. I don't want to maintain patches to backport to April. Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10511030843j79905a2cxf42c9014bede3aba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:43:40 -0500 From: LiteStar numnums To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14615_20738381.1131036220288" References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [9fans] Re: VESA ISO Changes? Topicbox-Message-UUID: a429fa7c-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_14615_20738381.1131036220288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hmm, used the 'normal' iso, and was finished in ~ 5 minutes. How far behind= , or how far off, is the VESA ISO? Is there any thing 'we' could to do test & further it? On 11/3/05, LiteStar numnums wrote: > > Hello all, > Did something major change on the VESA ISO from 9grid.de ? > I use it alot here, and recently (yester eve? morn?) > grabbed a fresh copy to install on a machine here, which not only died > when starting rio, but took about > 1/2 hour to actually start. After much digging, I found the old CD, which > worked fine. I can give more specifics if > this would help. Thanks in advance, > -- Stefan > > -- > The subject of this essay (the Myth of Sisyphus) is precisely > this relationship between the absurd and suicide, the exact > degree to which suicide is a solution to the absurd. The > principle can be established that for a man who does not cheat, > what he believes to be true must determine his action. > Belief in the absurdity of existence must then dictate his > conduct. It is legitimate to wonder, clearly and without > false pathos, whether a conclusion of this importance > requires forsaking as rapidly possiblean imcompre- > hensible condition. I am speaking, of course, of men > inclined to be in harmony with themselves. > << Albert Camus>> -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_14615_20738381.1131036220288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hmm, used the 'normal' iso, and was finished in ~ 5 minutes. How far behind= , or how far off, is the VESA ISO?
Is there any thing 'we' could to do test & further it?

On 11/3/05, LiteStar = numnums <litestar@gmail.com > wrote:
Hello all,
 Did something major change on the VESA ISO from 9grid.de? I use it alot here, and recently (yester eve? morn?) grabbed a fresh copy to install on a machine here, which not only died when= starting rio, but took about
1/2 hour to actually start. After much digging, I found the old CD, which w= orked fine. I can give more specifics if
this would help. Thanks in advance,
 -- Stefan

--
The subject of this essay (the = Myth of Sisyphus) is precisely
this relationship between the absurd and = suicide, the exact
degree to which suicide is a solution to the absurd. = The=20
principle can be established that for a man who does not cheat,
what= he believes to be true must determine his action.
Belief in the absurdi= ty of existence must then dictate his
conduct. It is legitimate to wonde= r, clearly and without
false pathos, whether a conclusion of this importance
requires forsa= king as rapidly possiblean imcompre-
hensible condition. I am speaking, = of course, of men
inclined to be in harmony with themselves.
 &n= bsp;<< Albert Camus>>



--
Nietzsche's first step = is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is &quo= t;contructive and
radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he say= s, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the
problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and the= re is nothing final about it. Thus God
is useless, since He wants nothi= ng in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the tradi= tional
forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsib= lity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency
which would debase = the entire value of being born."
-- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt= =E9 ------=_Part_14615_20738381.1131036220288-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10511030847t676a0994ld481153317b02b4c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:47:47 -0500 From: LiteStar numnums To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? In-Reply-To: <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14667_18522578.1131036467338" References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: a44bfc30-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_14667_18522578.1131036467338 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'd be willing to help integrate VESA features into newer kernels if that i= s what is needed. I've severely limited time, but I'm willing to free some for something like this... On 11/3/05, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote: > > Good day. > > On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:28:45 -0500 > LiteStar numnums wrote: > > > Hello all, > > Did something major change on the VESA ISO from 9grid.de > > ? > > The kernels that are run are from April and the rest from the distrib- > ution from Bell Labs. The reason could be that these kernels get in- > compatible to the userland. If that happens, then I have to stop the > generation of the ISO and we have to wait until the VESA integration > is completed. I don't want to maintain patches to backport to April. > > Sincerely, > > Christoph > -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_14667_18522578.1131036467338 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline I'd be willing to help integrate VESA features into newer kernels if that i= s what is needed. I've
severely limited time, but I'm willing to free some for something like this= ...

On 11/3/05, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r= -36.net > wrote:
Good day.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:28:45 -0500
LiteStar numnums= < litestar@gmail.com> wrote:
=
> Hello all,
> Did something major change on the VESA ISO from= 9grid.de
> < http://9grid.de>?

The kernels that are run are from April and= the rest from the distrib-
ution from Bell Labs. The reason could be th= at these kernels get in-
compatible to the userland. If that happens, th= en I have to stop the
generation of the ISO and we have to wait until the VESA integrationis completed. I don't want to maintain patches to backport to April.
Sincerely,

Christoph



--
Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for h= im goes without saying and is "contructive and
radical". Nietz= sche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a f= inal decision about the
problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and the= re is nothing final about it. Thus God
is useless, since He wants nothi= ng in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the tradi= tional
forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsib= lity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency
which would debase = the entire value of being born."
-- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt= =E9 ------=_Part_14667_18522578.1131036467338-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:57:43 +0100 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? Message-Id: <20051103175743.6fce299f.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: a4683792-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good evening. On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:57:53 -0500 Russ Cox wrote: > The binary interface to the kernel has not changed > since the 9P2000 support went in. Give us a little credit: > we don't just break binary compatibility on a whim. Never thought of that. The VESA kernel is just bone old. > The vesa code will be included with the new VM changes, which > should appear within a week or so. Ok, VESA ISO generation stops then. Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:57:53 -0500 From: Russ Cox To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? In-Reply-To: <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: a4622c44-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The kernels that are run are from April and the rest from the distrib- > ution from Bell Labs. The reason could be that these kernels get in- > compatible to the userland. If that happens, then I have to stop the > generation of the ISO and we have to wait until the VESA integration > is completed. I don't want to maintain patches to backport to April. The binary interface to the kernel has not changed since the 9P2000 support went in. Give us a little credit: we don't just break binary compatibility on a whim. The vesa code will be included with the new VM changes, which should appear within a week or so. Russ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:58:28 +0100 From: Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? Message-Id: <20051103175828.1ed7ac93.20h@r-36.net> In-Reply-To: <283f5df10511030847t676a0994ld481153317b02b4c@mail.gmail.com> References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> <283f5df10511030847t676a0994ld481153317b02b4c@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: a46d059c-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Good evening. On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:47:47 -0500 LiteStar numnums wrote: > I'd be willing to help integrate VESA features into newer kernels if > that is what is needed. I've > severely limited time, but I'm willing to free some for something like > this... Everything will be good .... Sincerely, Christoph From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10511030943s6f630680sf7b55112c05fbdb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:43:42 -0500 From: LiteStar numnums To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? In-Reply-To: <20051103175828.1ed7ac93.20h@r-36.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_15123_5989292.1131039822961" References: <283f5df10511030828s5ff4b69ciac58f8675da06e77@mail.gmail.com> <20051103173930.3f2c47bf.20h@r-36.net> <283f5df10511030847t676a0994ld481153317b02b4c@mail.gmail.com> <20051103175828.1ed7ac93.20h@r-36.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: a4760b2e-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_15123_5989292.1131039822961 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline So I see =3D) On 11/3/05, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote: > > Good evening. > > On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:47:47 -0500 > LiteStar numnums wrote: > > > I'd be willing to help integrate VESA features into newer kernels if > > that is what is needed. I've > > severely limited time, but I'm willing to free some for something like > > this... > > Everything will be good .... > > Sincerely, > > Christoph > -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_15123_5989292.1131039822961 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline So I see =3D)

On 11/3/05, Christoph Lohmann <20h@r-36.net> wrote:
Good evening.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:47:47 -0500
LiteStar numnums = <litestar@gmail.com> wrote:=

> I'd be willing to help integrate VESA features into newer kern= els if
> that is what is needed. I've
> severely limited time, but I'= m willing to free some for something like
> this...

Everything= will be good ....

Sincerely,

Christoph



--
Nietzsche's first step is to accept what h= e knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive andradical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a = kind of crisis and a final decision about the
problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and the= re is nothing final about it. Thus God
is useless, since He wants nothi= ng in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the tradi= tional
forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsib= lity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency
which would debase = the entire value of being born."
-- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt= =E9 ------=_Part_15123_5989292.1131039822961-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? From: YAMANASHI Takeshi <9.nashi@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 11:32:09 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: a4f4fe70-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The vesa code will be included with the new VM changes, which > should appear within a week or so. tip9ug is planning to hand-out p9 install CDs in a conference at 11/19 and will have to burn those CDs until 11/12. It would really be great if the vesa code and VM changes are available by then. -- "on travel, off the network ... and a fossil in my pocket" From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] VESA ISO Changes? From: Tim Wiess Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:38:36 -0800 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: a573ec30-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > The vesa code will be included with the new VM changes, which > should appear within a week or so. Just out of curiosity, what type of changes are you incorporating? Are they just machine specific (x86) changes or have you been working on the mi part of the VM as well?