From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10607181734h6a7697c0ofa350ce24f9590b3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:34:01 -0400 From: "LiteStar numnums" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: Re: Re: [9fans] if you're looking for some fun, check out selinux ... In-Reply-To: <3e1162e60607181729l663fc606jad5e25b169654028@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35508_5507638.1153269241966" References: <44BD2FF2.9050703@lanl.gov> <3e1162e60607181311j45ada14ax38591b706cb2c1bd@mail.gmail.com> <44BD4187.2090204@lanl.gov> <3e1162e60607181331x305a1b52od825beb247a4918b@mail.gmail.com> <283f5df10607181618q47bff969tbef9476c325d9f14@mail.gmail.com> <3e1162e60607181729l663fc606jad5e25b169654028@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 844144a8-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_35508_5507638.1153269241966 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, Oberon Native's been around for years... =) On 7/18/06, David Leimbach wrote: > > I wonder when AdaOS will be done? :-) > > > On 7/18/06, LiteStar numnums wrote: > > You all seem to forget that this is a merging of anal retentive > technologies > > from a US government bureacracy and the anarchy of 'Linux', which is not > > really a single anything accept a tree with lots and lots of code. This > is > > the same US goverment (although not the same bureaucracy) that unleashed > > NIEM ( niem.gov) onto the world, XML with no less than NINE NAMESPACES, > > which is supposed to be used for critical (read: things like 'Oh, the > > leavies may have been breached') data... > > On a lighter note, I've always been happy with TrustedBSD & > TrustedSolaris, > > or OpenVMS ;-) > > > > > > On 7/18/06, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On 7/18/06, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > > > > David Leimbach wrote: > > > > > > > > > It (SELINUX) was easily turned off with a switch in a conf file, > but > > > > > it's such a pain in the ass, I don't know why it's in a "FC" style > > > > > distribution at all. > > > > > > > > The bigger question, which I can't quite figure out yet, is does > selinux > > > > provide some magic dust that in turn provides a level of security > not > > > > attainable any other way (i.e. in something like Plan 9) ... or, is > it a > > > > set of hacks to cover for an obsolete way of doing things. I am > tending > > > > toward thinking the latter, now that I've worked with it a bit. > Watch > > > > the discussions on labeling files, it's interesting, because the > label > > > > namespace seems to be fragmenting already. > > > > > > > > ron > > > > > > > > > > It's very clearly add-on technology to make up for something people > > > felt was unmanageable in Unix. However do we really need both ACLs > > > and SELINUX contexts? Do our files really need to have named hidden > > > data to store this crap in? > > > > > > I've honestly not read any papers justifying the need for ACLs or > > > SELINUX controls. > > > > > > I suddenly miss DOS. > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny, > > To that goal long ago to me assigned. > > I'll follow and not falter; if my will > > Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on. > > -- Epictetus > > > > He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- > Balzac > -- Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny, To that goal long ago to me assigned. I'll follow and not falter; if my will Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on. -- Epictetus He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- Balzac ------=_Part_35508_5507638.1153269241966 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Well, Oberon Native's been around for years... =)

On 7/18/06, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder when AdaOS will be done? :-)


On 7/18/06, LiteStar numnums < litestar@gmail.com> wrote:
> You all seem to forget that this is a merging of anal retentive technologies
> from a US government bureacracy and the anarchy of 'Linux', which is not
> really a single anything accept a tree with lots and lots of code. This is
> the same US goverment (although not the same bureaucracy) that unleashed
> NIEM ( niem.gov) onto the world, XML with no less than NINE NAMESPACES,
> which is supposed to be used for critical (read: things like 'Oh, the
> leavies may have been breached') data...
> On a lighter note, I've always been happy with TrustedBSD & TrustedSolaris,
> or OpenVMS ;-)
>
>
> On 7/18/06, David Leimbach < leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 7/18/06, Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote:
> > > David Leimbach wrote:
> > >
> > > > It (SELINUX) was easily turned off with a switch in a conf file, but
> > > > it's such a pain in the ass, I don't know why it's in a "FC" style
> > > > distribution at all.
> > >
> > > The bigger question, which I can't quite figure out yet, is does selinux
> > > provide some magic dust that in turn provides a level of security not
> > > attainable any other way (i.e. in something like Plan 9) ... or, is it a
> > > set of hacks to cover for an obsolete way of doing things. I am tending
> > > toward thinking the latter, now that I've worked with it a bit. Watch
> > > the discussions on labeling files, it's interesting, because the label
> > > namespace seems to be fragmenting already.
> > >
> > > ron
> > >
> >
> > It's very clearly add-on technology to make up for something people
> > felt was unmanageable in Unix.  However do we really need both ACLs
> > and SELINUX contexts?  Do our files really need to have named hidden
> > data to store this crap in?
> >
> > I've honestly not read any papers justifying the need for ACLs or
> > SELINUX controls.
> >
> > I suddenly miss DOS.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny,
> To that goal long ago to me assigned.
> I'll follow and not falter; if my will
> Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on.
>  -- Epictetus
>
> He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- Balzac



--
Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny,
To that goal long ago to me assigned.
I'll follow and not falter; if my will
Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on.
-- Epictetus

He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- Balzac ------=_Part_35508_5507638.1153269241966--