From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 09:01:40 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb606e3ea8a0467ddf499 Subject: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e81f5e94-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0015175cb606e3ea8a0467ddf499 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I haven't responded yet to all the info and ideas in my earlier thread, because I've been trying to get Plan 9 working in QEMU. First, I tried using 9vx. I found these instructions at http://swtch.com/9vx/ : 9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 is a binary distribution > containing a minimal plan 9 tree and binaries for > freebsd, linux, and os x. > > download, unpack, and then > > cd 9vx-0.12 > ./9vx.Linux -u glenda > > (or 9vx.FreeBSD or 9vx.OSX) > To my surprise, it really was as simple as that! At least, I get the same windows that I got when I had Plan 9 installed in its own partition. I haven't tried to actually do anything with it yet. I did learn that I have to press buttons 1 and 3 together, instead of shift-3, to simulate button 2. Before exploring Plan 9 in 9vx, I wanted to see if I could get it working in QEMU in my Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex system. That was another story. *Challenge 1*: Framebuffer root@Satellite:~# qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d > > =======================| DirectFB 1.0.1 |======================= > (c) 2001-2007 The DirectFB Organization (directfb.org) > (c) 2000-2004 Convergence (integrated media) GmbH > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > (*) DirectFB/Core: Single Application Core. (2008-09-12 19:59) > (!) Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' failed > --> No such file or directory > (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Error opening framebuffer device! > (!) DirectFB/FBDev: Use 'fbdev' option or set FRAMEBUFFER environment > variable. > (!) DirectFB/Core: Could not initialize 'system' core! > --> Initialization error! > Could not initialize SDL - exiting > Winning response: VGA kernel option in the Ubuntu boot menu *Challenge 2*: Scrambled keyboard Winning response: qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d -k en-us > *Challenge 3*: Plan 9 hanging up Winning response: I wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt when Plan 9 is starting up. *Challenge 4*: Display size My Ubuntu display is 1024x768. The default size of the Plan 9 display is much smaller, so it wasn't using all the available space on the Ubuntu display. Winning response: I re-installed Plan 9, changing the dimensions at the prompt. I haven't learned yet how to change them from within Plan 9. *Challenge 5*: How to exit from QEMU I haven't found anything in the man pages that works for me. I can go back to the console and do ctrl-c, but I don't like doing that. Current response: qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d -k en-us -no-reboot > Now, when I do "fshalt -r" in Plan 9, it exits from QEMU. *Challenge 6*: How to use kqemu. I see this message when I run qemu: Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated: No such > file or directory > I've done some research, but I'm still confused about whether kqemu is included in Intrepid Ibex, and if so how to activate it. When I installed Plan 9, it took more than an hour to format 2GB. --0015175cb606e3ea8a0467ddf499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I haven't responded yet to all the info and ideas in my earlier thread,= because I've been trying to get Plan 9 working in QEMU.

First, = I tried using 9vx. I found these instructions at http://swtch.com/9vx/ :

9vx-0.12.tar.= bz2 is a binary distribution
containing a minimal plan 9 tree and binari= es for
freebsd, linux, and os x.

download, unpack, and then

cd 9vx-= 0.12
./9vx.Linux -u glenda

(or 9vx.FreeBSD or 9vx.OSX)

To my surprise, it really was as simple as that!

At least= , I get the same windows that I got when I had Plan 9 installed in its own = partition. I haven't tried to actually do anything with it yet. I did l= earn that I have to press buttons 1 and 3 together, instead of shift-3, to = simulate button 2. Before exploring Plan 9 in 9vx, I wanted to see if I cou= ld get it working in QEMU in my Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex system.

That was another story.

Challenge 1: Framebuffer

<= blockquote style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt = 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class=3D"gmail_quote">root@Satellite:~# = qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d

=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D|=A0 DirectFB 1.0.1=A0 |=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (c) 2001-2007= =A0 The DirectFB Organization (directfb.org= )
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (c) 2000-2004=A0 Convergence (integrat= ed media) GmbH
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 -----------------------------------------------------= -------

(*) DirectFB/Core: Single Application Core. (2008-09-12 19:5= 9)
(!) Direct/Util: opening '/dev/fb0' and '/dev/fb/0' = failed
=A0=A0=A0 --> No such file or directory
(!) DirectFB/FBDev: Error ope= ning framebuffer device!
(!) DirectFB/FBDev: Use 'fbdev' option = or set FRAMEBUFFER environment variable.
(!) DirectFB/Core: Could not in= itialize 'system' core!
=A0=A0=A0 --> Initialization error!
Could not initialize SDL - exitin= g

Winning response: VGA kernel option in the Ubuntu boo= t menu

Challenge 2: Scrambled keyboard

Winning respons= e:

qemu -hda Pla= n9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d -k en-us

Challe= nge 3: Plan 9 hanging up

Winning response: I wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt= when Plan 9 is starting up.

Challenge 4: Display size
My Ubuntu display is 1024x768. The default size of the Plan 9 display is m= uch smaller, so it wasn't using all the available space on the Ubuntu d= isplay.

Winning response: I re-installed Plan 9, changing the dimensions at the= prompt. I haven't learned yet how to change them from within Plan 9.
Challenge 5: How to exit from QEMU

I haven't found = anything in the man pages that works for me. I can go back to the console a= nd do ctrl-c, but I don't like doing that.

Current response:

qemu -hda Plan9.qcow.img -cdrom plan9.iso -boot d -k en-us -no-= reboot

Now, when I do "fshalt -r" in Plan 9, it exits f= rom QEMU.

Challenge 6: How to use kqemu.

I see this me= ssage when I run qemu:

Could not open '/dev/kqemu' - QEMU acceleration layer not activated= : No such file or directory

I've done some research= , but I'm still confused about whether kqemu is included in Intrepid Ib= ex, and if so how to activate it. When I installed Plan 9, it took more tha= n an hour to format 2GB.
--0015175cb606e3ea8a0467ddf499-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <953cd81c116bcf8f5ddc382f25249beb@csplan9.rit.edu> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:05:53 -0400 From: john@csplan9.rit.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e842a75a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > *Challenge 4*: Display size > > My Ubuntu display is 1024x768. The default size of the Plan 9 display is > much smaller, so it wasn't using all the available space on the Ubuntu > display. > > Winning response: I re-installed Plan 9, changing the dimensions at the > prompt. I haven't learned yet how to change them from within Plan 9. To change in the future, run "9fat:" and edit vgasize. For more info see plan9.ini(8) John Floren From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:08:08 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e84e2850-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > When I installed Plan 9, it took more than an hour to format 2GB. the plan 9 ide driver will use pio unless you tell it to do otherwise. i'm not sure if this applies to qemu, but assuming your emulated drive is sdC0, you can turn on dma with echo dma on > /dev/sdC0/ctl - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 12:15:18 +0200 Message-ID: From: yy To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e87f69b0-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 2009/4/19 Jim Habegger : > ... I did learn that I have to press buttons 1 and 3 together, instead of > shift-3, to simulate button 2. IMO, this is a bug. The Shift+Button3 = Button2 behaviour is documented in the man page. I sent a (one-line) patch to Russ, but it looks like it hasn't been applied. If you are in unix and you plan to use 9vx (with shift and a 2 buttons mouse), just change this line in src/9vx/x11/x11-itrans.c: 232c232 < m->buttons |= 4; --- > m->buttons |= s & ShiftMask ? 2 : 4; hth, -- - yiyus || JGL . From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 22:16:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd6929ea9e30467e91045 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e898754a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0015175cd6929ea9e30467e91045 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit john, eric, and yy, thanks! 9vx isn't working out very well for me so far. I'm trying to practice everything in the documentation on the Plan 9 site, then I'll work on the ideas that have been posted for me here. I was going to practice first in 9vx, because it's easier to switch back and forth between that and my other windows, than between qemu and my other windows. Adding a new user: term% uname jim jim > uname: '/bin/uname' file does not exist > That doesn't encourage me to try to use 9vx for what I'm doing right now. I'll see if I can do any better in QEMU. --0015175cd6929ea9e30467e91045 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit john, eric, and yy, thanks!

9vx isn't working out very well for me so far. I'm trying to practice everything in the documentation on the Plan 9 site, then I'll work on the ideas that have been posted for me here. I was going to practice first in 9vx, because it's easier to switch back and forth between that and my other windows, than between qemu and my other windows.

Adding a new user:

term% uname jim jim
uname: '/bin/uname' file does not exist

That doesn't encourage me to try to use 9vx for what I'm doing right now.

I'll see if I can do any better in QEMU.
--0015175cd6929ea9e30467e91045-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <431c3ac41bc34f7946a7833a4e28de4d@quanstro.net> From: erik quanstrom Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:34:14 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e8a1b196-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > john, eric, and yy, thanks! > > 9vx isn't working out very well for me so far. I'm trying to practice > everything in the documentation on the Plan 9 site, then I'll work on the > ideas that have been posted for me here. I was going to practice first in > 9vx, because it's easier to switch back and forth between that and my other > windows, than between qemu and my other windows. > > Adding a new user: > > term% uname jim jim > > uname: '/bin/uname' file does not exist this isn't a criticism of 9vx. if you're using 9vx to stand in for plan 9, you are going to have a lot of trouble with the differences. it's possible to configure 9vx to be just like plan 9, but that's not the default and it takes some doing and some additions. for what you're doing qemu (or whatever) makes more sense. you may even even wish to set that up as a cpu server and then use drawterm as a viewer. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:43:38 -0400 Message-ID: <509071940904190743l4c49f944h1d90e08d8189ab42@mail.gmail.com> From: Anthony Sorace To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e8aa9644-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Jim Habegger wrote: // Adding a new user: that's not a 9vx issue; either you're misreading the documentation or it's incorrectly written (i'm not sure which bit you're reading for that). those commands are intended to be given to the file server, fossil, after connecting to the console posted in /srv. You'd get exactly the same response under qemu or on real hardware. it's worth noting, however, that 9vx is a bit different here in that, unlike most plan9 installations, it doesn't use fossil as its root file system (by default). instead of taking a large array of bits and turning it into a file system itself (as fossil does, typically using a disk partition as that array of bits, sometimes a regular file), 9vx uses the underlying host OS file system (via the #Z kernel device). there's no reason to "add users" in this sense because #Z doesn't offer connection authentication and doesn't regulate user access in the same way. issues around swapping out the root file server are where most of 9vx's differences come from (and, in my experience, reduced stability, but i'm not sure how widespread that is). things like replica often misbehave, as well. it'd be worth putting together a diff guide of sorts. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:37:02 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb21e7413750467ea2f7a Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: e91cfb9e-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0015175cb21e7413750467ea2f7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eric and Anthony, thank you. I'm stepping through the Plan 9 documentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. As you noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user: con -l /srv/fscons > That didn't work in 9vx either, I imagine for the reasons you explained. I'm still way over my head here. For now I'll use QEMU to step through the Plan 9 documentation, and later I might use 9vx for other learning purposes. Now that I've learned to change the display dimensions, and use ctrl-alt, it's easy to switch between QEMU and my other windows. I've already created a new user. I won't push my luck tonight. I'll wait until tomorrow to try network configuration. --0015175cb21e7413750467ea2f7a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric and Anthony, thank you.

I'm stepping through the Plan 9 doc= umentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.htm= l. As you noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user:

con -l /srv/f= scons

That didn't work in 9vx either, I imagine for= the reasons you explained. I'm still way over my head here.

For now I'll use QEMU to step through the Plan 9 documentation, and= later I might use 9vx for other learning purposes. Now that I've learn= ed to change the display dimensions, and use ctrl-alt, it's easy to swi= tch between QEMU and my other windows. I've already created a new user.=

I won't push my luck tonight. I'll wait until tomorrow to try n= etwork configuration.
--0015175cb21e7413750467ea2f7a-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:01:27 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb5684059e60467f56c59 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ea023bc8-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0015175cb5684059e60467f56c59 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. qemu plan9jim.img -k en-us -no-reboot > I have to wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt, to avoid having it freeze and losing the keyboard and mouse. *Network Configuration* term% ip/ipconfig > "ether8390 dummyrr timeout; assuming nodummyrr" - whatever that means. term% ndb/dns -r > term% ip/ping 192.168.0.1 > sending 32 64 byte messages 1000 ms apart to icmp!192.168.0.1! > lost 0 > lost 1 > . . . > lost 31 > 32 out of 32 messages lost > Too bad. Some of the instructions in the documentation, and some of the ideas in the responses to my posts, depend on being connected to the network and the Internet. --0015175cb5684059e60467f56c59 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at http:= //plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html.

I'= ;m running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex.

qemu plan9jim= .img -k en-us -no-reboot

I have to wait a few seconds b= efore responding to each prompt, to avoid having it freeze and losing the k= eyboard and mouse.

Network Configuration

term% ip/ipconfig

"ether839= 0 dummyrr timeout; assuming nodummyrr"

- whatever that means.

term% ndb/dns -r
term% ip/ping 192.168.0.1
sending 3= 2 64 byte messages 1000 ms apart to icmp!192.168.0.1!
lost 0
lost 1
. . .
lost 31
32 out of 32 messages lost

Too bad. Some of the instructions in the documentation, and som= e of the ideas in the responses to my posts, depend on being connected to t= he network and the Internet.
--0015175cb5684059e60467f56c59-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 23:13:29 -0600 Message-ID: <14ec7b180904192213pe45c428w83dd689e9aed33ce@mail.gmail.com> From: andrey mirtchovski To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ea0efe30-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 cat /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute to see what address is assigned by ipconfig. also, start ndb/cs. the order is sometimes important, so i always do: ndb/cs ip/ipconfig ndb/dns -r # see man page for that argument cheers! On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. > > I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. > >> qemu plan9jim.img -k en-us -no-reboot > > I have to wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt, to avoid > having it freeze and losing the keyboard and mouse. > > Network Configuration > >> term% ip/ipconfig > > "ether8390 dummyrr timeout; assuming nodummyrr" > > - whatever that means. > >> term% ndb/dns -r >> term% ip/ping 192.168.0.1 >> sending 32 64 byte messages 1000 ms apart to icmp!192.168.0.1! >> lost 0 >> lost 1 >> . . . >> lost 31 >> 32 out of 32 messages lost > > Too bad. Some of the instructions in the documentation, and some of the > ideas in the responses to my posts, depend on being connected to the network > and the Internet. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:22:21 -0300 Message-ID: <32d987d50904192222i1a8a0f18x87f4636ba8b03164@mail.gmail.com> From: "Federico G. Benavento" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ea13366c-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 afaik, I can't ping from qemu, so try hget http://google.com or something On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. > > I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. > >> qemu plan9jim.img -k en-us -no-reboot > > I have to wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt, to avoid > having it freeze and losing the keyboard and mouse. > > Network Configuration > >> term% ip/ipconfig > > "ether8390 dummyrr timeout; assuming nodummyrr" > > - whatever that means. > >> term% ndb/dns -r >> term% ip/ping 192.168.0.1 >> sending 32 64 byte messages 1000 ms apart to icmp!192.168.0.1! >> lost 0 >> lost 1 >> . . . >> lost 31 >> 32 out of 32 messages lost > > Too bad. Some of the instructions in the documentation, and some of the > ideas in the responses to my posts, depend on being connected to the network > and the Internet. > -- Federico G. Benavento From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-Id: <59F3414D-5C6B-4F08-BAFE-1EAD8FC17E84@gmx.de> From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_G=FCnther?= To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> In-Reply-To: <14ec7b180904192213pe45c428w83dd689e9aed33ce@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v930.3) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 07:38:22 +0200 References: <14ec7b180904192213pe45c428w83dd689e9aed33ce@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ea17fdd2-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The special case is here that he runs qemu. And the good news is: In =20 qemu you are always in the same simulated network by default. Which is: your IP: 10.0.2.15 gateway: 10.0.2.2 dns: 10.0.2.3 hardcode these and you should be fine. (if you want to connect to the =20= qemu machine: fiddle around with --redir) Andr=E9 On 20 Apr 2009, at 07:13, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > cat /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute to see what address is assigned by > ipconfig. also, start ndb/cs. > > the order is sometimes important, so i always do: > > ndb/cs > ip/ipconfig > ndb/dns -r # see man page for that argument > > cheers! > > On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Jim Habegger =20 > wrote: >> I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at >> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. >> >> I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. >> >>> qemu plan9jim.img -k en-us -no-reboot >> >> I have to wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt, to =20 >> avoid >> having it freeze and losing the keyboard and mouse. >> >> Network Configuration >> >>> term% ip/ipconfig >> >> "ether8390 dummyrr timeout; assuming nodummyrr" >> >> - whatever that means. >> >>> term% ndb/dns -r >>> term% ip/ping 192.168.0.1 >>> sending 32 64 byte messages 1000 ms apart to icmp!192.168.0.1! >>> lost 0 >>> lost 1 >>> . . . >>> lost 31 >>> 32 out of 32 messages lost >> >> Too bad. Some of the instructions in the documentation, and some of =20= >> the >> ideas in the responses to my posts, depend on being connected to =20 >> the network >> and the Internet. >> From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 15:14:56 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd28ea57e9b0467f7497b Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ea1d0a98-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0015175cd28ea57e9b0467f7497b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again to everyone for all the help! I did this (thanks Andrey): ndb/cs > ip/ipconfig > ndb/dns -r > Then I took a look at /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute. Then I pinged the gateway (thanks Andr=E9) and got a response! Then I did (thanks Federico) hget http://google.com > and got some hieroglyphs. Then I did http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/924897/46369 > which is a fairly clean text file, to get something readable. It worked! --0015175cd28ea57e9b0467f7497b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks again to everyone for all the help!

I did this (thanks Andrey= ):

ndb/cs<= br> ip/ipconfig
ndb/dns -r

Then I took a look at /net/ipselftab and /n= et/iproute.

Then I pinged the gateway (thanks Andr=E9) and got a res= ponse!

Then I did (thanks Federico)

hget http://google.com=

and got some hieroglyphs. Then I did

http://ww= w.gamefaqs.com/portable/ds/file/924897/46369

which = is a fairly clean text file, to get something readable. It worked!
--0015175cd28ea57e9b0467f7497b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:42:14 +0000 From: Balwinder S Dheeman Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: , Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ea447d76-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 04/19/2009 09:09 PM, Jim Habegger wrote: > Eric and Anthony, thank you. > > I'm stepping through the Plan 9 documentation at > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. As you > noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user: > > con -l /srv/fscons > > > That didn't work in 9vx either, I imagine for the reasons you explained. > I'm still way over my head here. > > For now I'll use QEMU to step through the Plan 9 documentation, and > later I might use 9vx for other learning purposes. Now that I've learned > to change the display dimensions, and use ctrl-alt, it's easy to switch > between QEMU and my other windows. I've already created a new user. > > I won't push my luck tonight. I'll wait until tomorrow to try network > configuration. IMHO, you need not switch between your Plan 9 installation under QEMU and 9vx; Just stick to a real Plan 9 under QEMU and this I hope will help you better learn, experiment and, or try procedures described on the wiki and other docs. I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx, an abridged version which is far away from a real or native installation of a Plan 9 under QEMU, KVM, XEN and, or VMWare. Many a things e.g. page, gs, mail do not work out of the box as expected under 9vx as yet. -- Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709 Anu'z Linux@HOME (Unix Shoppe) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192 Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP Home: http://cto.homelinux.net/~bsd/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:38:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f707a550c204680862bc Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec0f8240-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00163630f707a550c204680862bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've done as much as I can and want to do from the documentation for now. Now I'm working on some of the responses to my posts here. Pietro, I did 9fs sources > and installed fgb. I'm planning to look at that troff tutorial, the manpage for juke, and the files in /sys/doc. Here's what happened when I installed abaco and tried to use it: term% contrib/install fgb/abaco > a 386/bin/abaco 775 sys sys 1195651173 > a lib/font/bit lucidasans/passwd.6.font 664 sys sys 1138688455 > a sys/src/cmd/abaco 20000000775 sys sys 1175566971 > ... > a sys/src/cmd/abaco/abaco.fonts 664 sys sys 1201369022 > term% man abaco > *man: no manual page* > term% abaco > *abaco: can't initialize webfs: '/mnt/web/ctl' does not exist* > --00163630f707a550c204680862bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've done as much as I can and want to do from the documentation for no= w. Now I'm working on some of the responses to my posts here.

Pi= etro, I did

9fs sources

and installed fgb. I'm planning to look= at that troff tutorial, the manpage for juke, and the files in /sys/doc.
Here's what happened when I installed abaco and tried to use it:<= br>
term% contrib= /install fgb/abaco
a 386/bin/abaco 775 sys sys 1195651173
a lib/font/= bit lucidasans/passwd.6.font 664 sys sys 1138688455
a sys/src/cmd/abaco 20000000775 sys sys 1175566971
...
a sys/src/cmd/= abaco/abaco.fonts 664 sys sys 1201369022
term% man abaco
man: no m= anual page
term% abaco
abaco: can't initialize webfs: '= ;/mnt/web/ctl' does not exist


--00163630f707a550c204680862bc-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:52:24 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee244270de20468089340 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec136c7a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016364ee244270de20468089340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid. Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other Ubuntu windows. --0016364ee244270de20468089340 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid.

Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other Ubuntu windows.
--0016364ee244270de20468089340-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:55:30 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d6a03c19fe0468089ef7 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec1786b6-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00163646d6a03c19fe0468089ef7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid. > > Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat > partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other > Ubuntu windows. > - and how to change to a different user without rebooting. --00163646d6a03c19fe0468089ef7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jim Habegger <= span dir=3D"ltr"><jimhabegger@g= mail.com> wrote:
I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid.

Now, in = Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat partition, = and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other Ubuntu windo= ws.

- and how to change to a different user without rebo= oting.
--00163646d6a03c19fe0468089ef7-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <1702e88e645fdc7a615471ac295936b2@csplan9.rit.edu> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 01:14:14 -0400 From: john@csplan9.rit.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec1cc39c-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > ... the manpage > for juke, ... > Juke is really old and kind of painful to use. Easier to just use mp3dec on the command line, but if you must use juke I have some scripts in my contrib (/n/sources/contrib/john/) that will make juke easier to deal with. > Here's what happened when I installed abaco and tried to use it: > > term% contrib/install fgb/abaco >> a 386/bin/abaco 775 sys sys 1195651173 >> a lib/font/bit lucidasans/passwd.6.font 664 sys sys 1138688455 >> a sys/src/cmd/abaco 20000000775 sys sys 1175566971 >> ... >> a sys/src/cmd/abaco/abaco.fonts 664 sys sys 1201369022 >> term% man abaco >> *man: no manual page* >> term% abaco >> *abaco: can't initialize webfs: '/mnt/web/ctl' does not exist* >> You need to run webfs first, and possibly webcookies? If webfs doesn't work, run webcookies; this should be the only time you need to do it. John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:02:06 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636426d0df9a0b204680a6219 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec23fe28-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001636426d0df9a0b204680a6219 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now I have a list of commands to type every time I boot. I need to learn how to run them automatically. --001636426d0df9a0b204680a6219 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Now I have a list of commands to type every time I boot. I need to learn how to run them automatically.
--001636426d0df9a0b204680a6219-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:31:31 -0400 Message-ID: <509071940904202331j50502d46hca65c7dca9e87bfa@mail.gmail.com> From: Anthony Sorace To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec2864a4-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 $home/lib/profile is run on login; you can stick arbitrary commands in there. note rio's -i option. take a look at glenda's lib/profile and bin/rc/riostart for examples. running "c:" has a good chance of finding and mounting a FAT partition; see dossrv(4). note that c: and dosmnt, like many other things in plan9, are simple shell scripts. just cat them to see what they're doing. you won't find a method to log in as a different user (as a "normal" login session) without rebooting. fgb's a person, not a thing you install. contrib packages are organized under the name of the package's author. running "contrib/install fgb/abaco" installs fgb's abaco package. anthony From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <509071940904202331j50502d46hca65c7dca9e87bfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <509071940904202331j50502d46hca65c7dca9e87bfa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:59:00 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163646d8bc7d59d504680b2e70 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec2c5eb0-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --00163646d8bc7d59d504680b2e70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > fgb's a person, not a thing you install. > fgb is also the name of the directory containing his system, which is what I meant. I see now that what I installed was actually fgb/contrib. --00163646d8bc7d59d504680b2e70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Anthony Sorace = <anothy@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
fgb's a person, not a thing you install.

fgb is also the name of the directory contain= ing his system, which is what I meant. I see now that what I installed was = actually fgb/contrib.
--00163646d8bc7d59d504680b2e70-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 04:05:00 -0300 Message-ID: <32d987d50904210005l1612430dy368a7665dd45eda9@mail.gmail.com> From: "Federico G. Benavento" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec346128-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> term% abaco >> abaco: can't initialize webfs: '/mnt/web/ctl' does not exist > touch $home/lib/webcookies and add "webfs" in your profile ($home/lib/profile) before plumber and rio -- Federico G. Benavento From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:55:21 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636164757fe845804680bf7f0 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec3df760-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --001636164757fe845804680bf7f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx > Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get acquainted with the Plan 9 environment, and to practice using it. Running Plan 9 in QEMU is awkward and slow, and my processor doesn't support an accelerator. I can see very well how 9vx might be useful for me, at some point. --001636164757fe845804680bf7f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dhe= eman <bdheeman@g= mail.com> wrote:
I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx=

Maybe because it's faster, and easy to in= stall. It only took a few minutes to download it, unpack it, and start usin= g it. It's an easy way to get acquainted with the Plan 9 environment, a= nd to practice using it. Running Plan 9 in QEMU is awkward and slow, and my= processor doesn't support an accelerator. I can see very well how 9vx = might be useful for me, at some point.
--001636164757fe845804680bf7f0-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:10:55 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b87223f93a104680d060d Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ec589f20-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016363b87223f93a104680d060d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. I'll need to learn how to access host and network resources in QEMU before I'll be able to mount my fat partition. I decided not to add the network and web commands to my profile, because I'm not sure I'll be wanting to use them every time, while I'm learning to use QEMU and Plan 9. I put the network commands in a file. Now I need to learn how to write an executable script. For now I cat the file, then I select it and send it. For the Web, I'll just type webfs when I need it. --0016363b87223f93a104680d060d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was= able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. = Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a U= RL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened.

I'll need to learn how to access host and network resources in QEMU= before I'll be able to mount my fat partition.

I decided not to= add the network and web commands to my profile, because I'm not sure I= 'll be wanting to use them every time, while I'm learning to use QE= MU and Plan 9. I put the network commands in a file. Now I need to learn ho= w to write an executable script. For now I cat the file, then I select it a= nd send it. For the Web, I'll just type webfs when I need it.
--0016363b87223f93a104680d060d-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:26:21 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ecab81b8-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was > able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. > Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a > URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. i can verify that that works. you do need to b2 "New" in the column header to get an actual browser frame first. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:06:37 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ed059c16-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > > - and how to change to a different user without rebooting. there are two answers to this question, depending on if you have a cpu server or a terminal * terminal. don't do that. the plan 9 model is that you really own the hardware and the terminal is not intended to be multi-user. so you do need to reboot to change users. (okay, i realize that you can start a bunch of services on a terminal and approximate a cpu server, and if you are logged in as an acceptable hostowner according to the auth server, things might work out. but that's not part of the standard model.) * cpu server. the hostowner is fixed at boot. if you have the credentials for any user you can cpu(1) in as that user. i'm speculating on the design of the auth system. i wasn't there so i could be wrong. but in order to have a terminal that many people could log into would require either (a) killing off the original factotum on logout and changing eve back to bootes or something. and beware the 1001 places that stash eve somewhere. (b) the terminal running as the auth server's eve, requiring that the auth server's key be present when the terminal boots. since the user really owns a terminals hardware, this couldn't be very secure unless the administator typed in the password on every boot. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <29b5d70baba452f2446d71f0a37f302d@csplan9.rit.edu> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:26:19 -0400 From: john@csplan9.rit.edu In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ed5c3698-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was > able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. > Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a > URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. > You execute "New", then type the URL INCLUDING http:// in the blank tag that comes up (below the "Del Snarf Get" commands) and either hit enter or execute "Get". > I'll need to learn how to access host and network resources in QEMU before > I'll be able to mount my fat partition. Here's a different idea: set up QEMU as a standalone CPU server (per the instructions on the wiki) and use drawterm to connect. You can then access host files via drawterm; they'll be in /mnt/term > I decided not to add the network and web commands to my profile, because I'm > not sure I'll be wanting to use them every time, while I'm learning to use > QEMU and Plan 9. I put the network commands in a file. Now I need to learn > how to write an executable script. For now I cat the file, then I select it > and send it. For the Web, I'll just type webfs when I need it. How to write an executable script? Don't you use Unix? It's the same: 1. Put #!/bin/rc at the top of your file 2. chmod +x file You could have easily looked at something like /rc/bin/sig or whatever to figure out the same stuff, but I guess it continues to be easier to post on 9fans than to think. John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <809f605f5b16d3ddc29b9c4255980323@quanstro.net> From: erik quanstrom Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:34:00 -0400 To: 9fans@9fans.net In-Reply-To: <29b5d70baba452f2446d71f0a37f302d@csplan9.rit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ed636ef4-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > You could have easily looked at something like /rc/bin/sig or whatever to > figure out the same stuff, but I guess it continues to be easier to post on > 9fans than to think. give the guy a break. he seems to have made a lot of progress and its only natural to be confused by things that would normally be pretty straightforward when confronted by a new environment. - erik From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:01:50 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ee130249e380468161e1b Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: ee9c958e-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016364ee130249e380468161e1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. --0016364ee130249e380468161e1b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.
--0016364ee130249e380468161e1b-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:28:34 +0200 From: Karin Willers To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <20090421232834.6264a41a@ratlos> In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: eeadd25e-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Greetings! I think, posting is quite ok! I'm in the same position, having set up Plan 9 on a spare machine and seeing different hurdles to overcome, that seem to be trivial for those who have mastered them, but for a novice in Plan 9 (although I have a long background in the computing industry ...) things are not that easy. Reading the man pages is not always enough. Greetings, Karin ----- On Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:01:50 +0800 Jim Habegger wrote: > I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:03:16 -0500 From: blstuart@bellsouth.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: eeb7fffe-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > >> I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx >> > > Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes > to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get > acquainted with the Plan 9 environment, and to practice using it. Running > Plan 9 in QEMU is awkward and slow, and my processor doesn't support an > accelerator. I can see very well how 9vx might be useful for me, at some > point. One way it can be useful is as a replacement for drawterm. It feels a little more like using a real plan9 terminal than drawterm does. That's how I use it at home. I have a file/ auth/cpu server, and from my FreeBSD machine, I run 9vx with the -b option. It's asks for the protocol, the fileserver and the auth server IP addresses and then I get the same prompt for username and password I'd get at a real terminal. Plus, I get the ability to run Plan9 code either locally on my terminal or I can cpu into the cpu server. Pretty much as soon as I got my hands on 9vx, I stopped using drawterm altogether. BLS From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:13:52 -0500 From: blstuart@bellsouth.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: eebd2740-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > i'm speculating on the design of the auth system. i wasn't > there so i could be wrong. but in order to have a terminal > that many people could log into would require either > (a) killing off the original factotum on logout and changing > eve back to bootes or something. and beware the 1001 places > that stash eve somewhere. I wasn't there either, but I do have some fuzzy memories of running 2nd edition. Factotum came along later than that. It may have been new with 4th edition. The general impression I always got was two-fold. >>From a philosophical point of view, whoever is logged into a terminal is the owner of the hardware. After all, physical access is the ultimate privilege. So if you just don't bother creating a logout mechanism, then the only time the hardware doesn't have an owner is from reset to authenticating a user. The practical side means that a lot gets simpler and a number of concerns go away. If the system reboots between users, there's nothing of the first user left on the terminal when the second user comes along. I don't have to be careful to clean up all the processes, etc left behind; rebooting does that. The old login trojan horses also go away. ^t^tr is grabbed by the kernel and we reboot. It seemed a little strange to me at first, but the more I worked with the system, the more logical it seemed. BLS From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <227b30408f46969b740e7575eb0ea40d@bellsouth.net> To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:23:35 -0500 From: blstuart@bellsouth.net In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: eec1ee92-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and you're learning from it, your questions are welcome as far as I'm concerned. The real flamage comes when a) someone tries to "teach their grandmother to suck eggs" or b) a person seems to be ignorning what's already been said. BLS From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@9fans.net Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 20:29:49 -0400 From: john@csplan9.rit.edu In-Reply-To: <227b30408f46969b740e7575eb0ea40d@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: eec6c35e-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >> I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. > > Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and > you're learning from it, your questions are welcome > as far as I'm concerned. The real flamage comes when > a) someone tries to "teach their grandmother to suck > eggs" or b) a person seems to be ignorning what's > already been said. > > BLS Yeah, don't let my message from earlier scare you off... I was just cranky at the prospect of a long day of classes ;) The point of a mailing list isn't to see how few messages we can get in a month, although of course it's not a blog either. I've done more than my fair share of posting about fairly obvious stuff--at least you've beat a lot of us by not coming in and starting a flame war because something doesn't work exactly as it does under Unix (or, more puzzlingly, Windows). Maybe I should make a wiki page, "Things that are the same as in Unix", to offset our constant statement "Plan 9 is not Unix". John From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <227b30408f46969b740e7575eb0ea40d@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 09:07:46 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b85ca37621c04681a64d1 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: eed0ea50-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016363b85ca37621c04681a64d1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:29 AM, wrote: > Yeah, don't let my message from earlier scare you off... I was just > cranky at the prospect of a long day of classes ;) The point of a > mailing list isn't to see how few messages we can get in a month, > although of course it's not a blog either. Thank you. I think I overdid it. I was posting too often. Most of my posting has been in forums, and when I post in lists I forget that I might be flooding some people's mailboxes. --0016363b85ca37621c04681a64d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:29 AM, <john@csplan9.rit.edu> wrote:
Yeah, don't let my message from earlier scare you off... = =A0I was just
cranky at the prospect of a long day of classes ;) The point of a
mailing list isn't to see how few messages we can get in a month,
although of course it's not a blog either.

Thank y= ou. I think I overdid it. I was posting too often. Most of my posting has been in forums, and when I post in lists I forget that I might be flooding some people's mailboxes.

--0016363b85ca37621c04681a64d1-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 17:12:06 +0800 Message-ID: From: Jim Habegger To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364edc1229e5910468354614 Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: efa48f90-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --0016364edc1229e5910468354614 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My Plan 9 training is temporarily suspended while I learn to use QEMU. That's funny because I suspended my Slackware training to learn to use Plan 9. Now I might suspend my QEMU training to try out some other virtualizers. Also, I got a FreeDOS image to use for my QEMU training, so I may wander off into FreeDOS for a while. --0016364edc1229e5910468354614 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My Plan 9 training is temporarily suspended while I learn to use QEMU.
<= br>That's funny because I suspended my Slackware training to learn to u= se Plan 9.

Now I might suspend my QEMU training to try out some othe= r virtualizers. Also, I got a FreeDOS image to use for my QEMU training, so= I may wander off into FreeDOS for a while.
--0016364edc1229e5910468354614-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 11:23:18 +0100 From: Eris Discordia To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Message-ID: <0A18D38275C0CC154E793433@[192.168.1.2]> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: efb161b6-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 To whom it may concern: had the right patches for Plan 9 to work on Virtual PC been incorporated and a new ISO released half the complaints from Windows users who want to give Plan 9 a try would disappear. Some potential enterprise users might also get interested in running many Plan 9 instances on Microsoft Virtual Server platform after seeing it run on Virtual PC (Due to its light weight Plan 9 may be a good choice for some virtual hosting services). P.S. No need to remind me the originator of this thread is trying Plan 9 on a VM in Linux. He has a working Windows installation anyway and configuring Virtual PC for networking (or any task) is way easier than QEMU. Performance is comparable. Plus, VPC's graphics and guest-host integration work perfectly. --On Thursday, April 23, 2009 5:12 PM +0800 Jim Habegger wrote: > My Plan 9 training is temporarily suspended while I learn to use QEMU. > > That's funny because I suspended my Slackware training to learn to use > Plan 9. > > Now I might suspend my QEMU training to try out some other virtualizers. > Also, I got a FreeDOS image to use for my QEMU training, so I may wander > off into FreeDOS for a while. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <49F08F87.7060908@proweb.co.uk> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:55:51 +0100 From: maht User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.19 (X11/20090103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> References: <0A18D38275C0CC154E793433@[192.168.1.2]> In-Reply-To: <0A18D38275C0CC154E793433@[192.168.1.2]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user Topicbox-Message-UUID: f0a66454-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 > Some potential enterprise users might also get interested in running > many Plan 9 instances on Microsoft Virtual Server platform after > seeing it run on Virtual PC (Due to its light weight Plan 9 may be a > good choice for some virtual hosting services). might makes right ?