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Subject: 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 04:07:33 -0700
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a quick announcement:

	http://swtch.com/9vx/

i'll have time to say more later.

russ



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Russ,
This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.  I've had
my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", and this
may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.

Dave

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> a quick announcement:
>
>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
>
> i'll have time to say more later.
>
> russ
>
>
>

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Russ,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>This looks really compelling... &nbsp;I&#39;ll be trying it out for sure. &nbsp;I&#39;ve had my share of aggravation keeping things running on &quot;real hardware&quot;, and this may be the &quot;time saver&quot; I needed to keep up with Plan 9.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dave<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
a quick announcement:<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://swtch.com/9vx/" target="_blank">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br>
<br>
i&#39;ll have time to say more later.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
russ<br>
<br>
<br>
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Currently getting:
9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack

On Mac OS X.

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:

> Russ,
> This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.  I've had
> my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", and this
> may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>
>> a quick announcement:
>>
>>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
>>
>> i'll have time to say more later.
>>
>> russ
>>
>>
>>
>

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Currently getting:<div><br></div><div><div>9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack</div><div><br></div><div>On Mac OS X.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach &lt;<a href="mailto:leimy2k@gmail.com">leimy2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Russ,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>This looks really compelling... &nbsp;I&#39;ll be trying it out for sure. &nbsp;I&#39;ve had my share of aggravation keeping things running on &quot;real hardware&quot;, and this may be the &quot;time saver&quot; I needed to keep up with Plan 9.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Dave<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com" target="_blank">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

a quick announcement:<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://swtch.com/9vx/" target="_blank">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br>
<br>
i&#39;ll have time to say more later.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
russ<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>
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Same here. And for some reason I have to manually start X11.

On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:40 AM, David Leimbach wrote:

> Currently getting:
>
> 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack
>
> On Mac OS X.
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> Russ,
>
> This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.
> I've had my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real
> hardware", and this may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with
> Plan 9.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
> a quick announcement:
>
>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
>
> i'll have time to say more later.
>
> russ
>
>
>
>


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<html><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Same here. And for some =
reason I have to manually start X11.</div><br><div><div>On Jun 27, 2008, =
at 9:40 AM, David Leimbach wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite">Currently =
getting:<div><br></div><div><div>9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt =
stack</div><div><br></div><div>On Mac OS X.</div><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach =
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wrote:<br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;">Russ,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>This looks =
really compelling... &nbsp;I'll be trying it out for sure. &nbsp;I've =
had my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", =
and this may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.</div> =
<div><br></div><div>Dave<div><div></div><div class=3D"Wj3C7c"><br><br><div=
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wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> a quick =
announcement:<br> <br> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://swtch.com/9vx/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br> <br> i'll have time to =
say more later.<br> <font color=3D"#888888"><br> russ<br> <br> <br> =
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same error here. invoke with -t and it'll work. investigating.

lots of reading to do. this is pretty exciting.
anthony

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Currently getting:
9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack

On Mac OS X.

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:

> Russ,
> This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.  I've had
> my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", and this
> may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.
>
> Dave
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>
>> a quick announcement:
>>
>>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
>>
>> i'll have time to say more later.
>>
>> russ
>>
>>
>>
>

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Currently getting:<div><br></div><div><div>9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack</div><div><br></div><div>On Mac OS X.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach &lt;<a href="mailto:leimy2k@gmail.com">leimy2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Russ,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>This looks really compelling... &nbsp;I&#39;ll be trying it out for sure. &nbsp;I&#39;ve had my share of aggravation keeping things running on &quot;real hardware&quot;, and this may be the &quot;time saver&quot; I needed to keep up with Plan 9.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Dave<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com" target="_blank">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

a quick announcement:<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://swtch.com/9vx/" target="_blank">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br>
<br>
i&#39;ll have time to say more later.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
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<br>
<br>
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Works fine on my laptop that runs MacOSX 10.4.

    Lucho

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> Currently getting:
> 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack
> On Mac OS X.
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Russ,
>> This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.  I've had
>> my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", and this
>> may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> a quick announcement:
>>>
>>>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
>>>
>>> i'll have time to say more later.
>>>
>>> russ
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>



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> And for some reason I have to manually start X11.

Welcome to OS X.

Russ



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> Currently getting:
> 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack

Do you have strace installed (is there one?) on OS X?
Can you run it with the -g (disable gui) flag
under strace?

Thanks.
Russ



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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote:

> Same here. And for some reason I have to manually start X11.
>

X11 starts up for me ok.  But then my xterms don't have the ability to deal
with capital letters for some reason.




>
> On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:40 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>
> Currently getting:
> 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack
>
> On Mac OS X.
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Russ,
>> This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.  I've had
>> my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", and this
>> may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>>
>>> a quick announcement:
>>>
>>>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
>>>
>>> i'll have time to say more later.
>>>
>>> russ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Pietro Gagliardi &lt;<a href="mailto:pietro10@mac.com">pietro10@mac.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Same here. And for some reason I have to manually start X11.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>X11 starts up for me ok. &nbsp;But then my xterms don&#39;t have the ability to deal with capital letters for some reason.</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div></div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">
<br><div><div>On Jun 27, 2008, at 9:40 AM, David Leimbach wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">Currently getting:<div><br></div><div><div>9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack</div><div><br></div><div>On Mac OS X.</div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach &lt;<a href="mailto:leimy2k@gmail.com" target="_blank">leimy2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Russ,&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>This looks really compelling... &nbsp;I&#39;ll be trying it out for sure. &nbsp;I&#39;ve had my share of aggravation keeping things running on &quot;real hardware&quot;, and this may be the &quot;time saver&quot; I needed to keep up with Plan 9.</div>
 <div><br></div><div>Dave<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com" target="_blank">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
 a quick announcement:<br> <br> &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://swtch.com/9vx/" target="_blank">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br> <br> i&#39;ll have time to say more later.<br> <font color="#888888"><br> russ<br> <br> <br> </font></blockquote>
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I've got 10.5

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Latchesar Ionkov <lucho@ionkov.net> wrote:

> Works fine on my laptop that runs MacOSX 10.4.
>
>    Lucho
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Currently getting:
> > 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack
> > On Mac OS X.
> > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Russ,
> >> This looks really compelling...  I'll be trying it out for sure.  I've
> had
> >> my share of aggravation keeping things running on "real hardware", and
> this
> >> may be the "time saver" I needed to keep up with Plan 9.
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> a quick announcement:
> >>>
> >>>        http://swtch.com/9vx/
> >>>
> >>> i'll have time to say more later.
> >>>
> >>> russ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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I&#39;ve got 10.5<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:49 AM, Latchesar Ionkov &lt;<a href="mailto:lucho@ionkov.net">lucho@ionkov.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Works fine on my laptop that runs MacOSX 10.4.<br>
<br>
 &nbsp; &nbsp;Lucho<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:40 PM, David Leimbach &lt;<a href="mailto:leimy2k@gmail.com">leimy2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Currently getting:<br>
&gt; 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack<br>
&gt; On Mac OS X.<br>
&gt; On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:18 AM, David Leimbach &lt;<a href="mailto:leimy2k@gmail.com">leimy2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Russ,<br>
&gt;&gt; This looks really compelling... &nbsp;I&#39;ll be trying it out for sure. &nbsp;I&#39;ve had<br>
&gt;&gt; my share of aggravation keeping things running on &quot;real hardware&quot;, and this<br>
&gt;&gt; may be the &quot;time saver&quot; I needed to keep up with Plan 9.<br>
&gt;&gt; Dave<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:07 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; a quick announcement:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://swtch.com/9vx/" target="_blank">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; i&#39;ll have time to say more later.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; russ<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> > Currently getting:
> > 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack
>
> Do you have strace installed (is there one?) on OS X?
> Can you run it with the -g (disable gui) flag
> under strace?
>

No strace on Leopard.

Dave


>
> Thanks.
> Russ
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; Currently getting:<br>
&gt; 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack<br>
<br>
</div>Do you have strace installed (is there one?) on OS X?<br>
Can you run it with the -g (disable gui) flag<br>
under strace?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No strace on Leopard.</div><div><br></div><div>Dave</div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

<br>
Thanks.<br>
<font color="#888888">Russ<br>
<br>
<br>
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Works impressively well here. Even snarf/paste between host and 9vx is
working.

Did only the 9 kernel need modifications or did the applications
binaries need to be recompiled as well?

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I'm guessing here, but I think this was a reference to the fact
that in 10.5, Apple did some work to make X11 start automatically
when the first X11 app is run; maybe that's not working for pietro.

Is everyone having a problem on OS X on 10.5? I am.

OS X doesn't have strace; =E2=89=A410.4 has ktrace, 10.5 has dtrace.
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> And for some reason I have to manually start X11.

Welcome to OS X.

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> same error here. invoke with -t and it'll work. investigating.

I believe, though I can't see yet why that would matter
in this case.  I do suspect that the behavior of signal
handlers in threaded programs changed between 10.4 and 10.5.

You might try rebuilding from source (the binary was
built on 10.4.10) just to see if that fixes the problem.

Thanks for the reports.  I'm sure there will be more bugs,
especially in the OS X code, which is about a day old.

Even on OS X 10.4, 9vx seems to chew most of available cpu while
idling.  (On my 2-processor machine, it was using 130% cpu.)
Obviously it's not suposed to.  I suspect a pthreads issue,
but I haven't had time to look into it.  Perhaps there are
people out there more familiar with debugging on OS X
than I am.

Russ



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> Works impressively well here. Even snarf/paste between host and 9vx is
> working.
>
> Did only the 9 kernel need modifications or did the applications
> binaries need to be recompiled as well?
>
> --vs

Seconded; everything works beautifully except that I'm not getting
any network devices, it seems.

John




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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas <me@acm.jhu.edu> wrote:
> Works impressively well here. Even snarf/paste between host and 9vx is
> working.
>
> Did only the 9 kernel need modifications or did the applications
> binaries need to be recompiled as well?
>
> --vs
>
>

9vx requires no host kernel modifications or
special privileges, and it runs unmodified
plan9 386 binaries.

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>> Did only the 9 kernel need modifications or did the applications
>> binaries need to be recompiled as well?
>>
[...]
>
> 9vx requires no host kernel modifications or
> special privileges, and it runs unmodified
> plan9 386 binaries.

but that doesn't answer the question.  the plan 9
kernel was modified.  how else would it provide
access to the host's fs?

- erik




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> Seconded; everything works beautifully except that I'm not getting
> any network devices, it seems.

there's not access to the network device per ce, but the network works
fine for me.  this is what i needed to do to connect to plan 9
networks

	1. edit /lib/ndb/auth and /lib/ndb/local as appropriate.
	2. rm /net/cs; ndb/cs
	3. auth/factotum
	4. cpu -h $host

- erik




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> Seconded; everything works beautifully except that I'm not getting
> any network devices, it seems.

Perhaps

	bind -b '#I' /net

That should be happening automatically, but hey, you never know.
If files in /net exist, could you give more details?

> Did only the 9 kernel need modifications or did the applications
> binaries need to be recompiled as well?

The user binaries are unmodified native 386 binaries.

Russ



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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> > Currently getting:
> > 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack
>
> Do you have strace installed (is there one?) on OS X?
> Can you run it with the -g (disable gui) flag
> under strace?


Without GUI I get a pretty good looking start :-)

[7:00] dave(mt64):..p/9vx-0.10 %> ./9vx.OSX -g -u glenda

init: starting /bin/rc
bind: #S: unknown device in # filename
upas/fs: '/bin/upas/fs' does not exist
#m/mousectl: rc: can't open: jmk added reentrancy for threads
init: rc exit status: rc 5: error

init: starting /bin/rc
%



>
>
> Thanks.
> Russ
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 6:52 AM, Russ Cox &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">&gt; Currently getting:<br>
&gt; 9vx panic: setsigsegv vx32 without alt stack<br>
<br>
</div>Do you have strace installed (is there one?) on OS X?<br>
Can you run it with the -g (disable gui) flag<br>
under strace?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Without GUI I get a pretty good looking start :-)</div><div><br></div><div><div>[7:00] dave(mt64):..p/9vx-0.10 %&gt; ./9vx.OSX -g -u glenda</div><div><br></div><div>init: starting /bin/rc</div>
<div>bind: #S: unknown device in # filename</div><div>upas/fs: &#39;/bin/upas/fs&#39; does not exist</div><div>#m/mousectl: rc: can&#39;t open: jmk added reentrancy for threads</div><div>init: rc exit status: rc 5: error</div>
<div><br></div><div>init: starting /bin/rc</div><div>%&nbsp;</div><div><br></div></div><div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
<br>
Thanks.<br>
<font color="#888888">Russ<br>
<br>
<br>
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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:29:24 -0700
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> Without GUI I get a pretty good looking start :-)

That's good, although too bad it doesn't help with the X11 problem.
Rebuilding from source is the first thing I'd try.
After that, someone needs to learn how to get a
system call trace from a multithreaded program
on OS X.

Russ



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on OSX 10.5.3
% ./9vx.OSX -1g -u glenda

init: starting /bin/rc
bind: #S: unknown device in # filename
upas/fs: '/bin/upas/fs' does not exist
#m/mousectl: rc: can't open: jmk added reentrancy for threads
init: rc exit status: rc 4: error





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MacOSX 10.5,

running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Pat Hacker <pat@picoworks.com> wrote:
> on OSX 10.5.3
> % ./9vx.OSX -1g -u glenda
>
> init: starting /bin/rc
> bind: #S: unknown device in # filename
> upas/fs: '/bin/upas/fs' does not exist
> #m/mousectl: rc: can't open: jmk added reentrancy for threads
> init: rc exit status: rc 4: error
>
>
>
>



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Confirmed!  That works great!

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org>
wrote:

> MacOSX 10.5,
>
> running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Pat Hacker <pat@picoworks.com> wrote:
> > on OSX 10.5.3
> > % ./9vx.OSX -1g -u glenda
> >
> > init: starting /bin/rc
> > bind: #S: unknown device in # filename
> > upas/fs: '/bin/upas/fs' does not exist
> > #m/mousectl: rc: can't open: jmk added reentrancy for threads
> > init: rc exit status: rc 4: error
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Confirmed! &nbsp;That works great!<div><br><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros &lt;<a href="mailto:nemo@lsub.org">nemo@lsub.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
MacOSX 10.5,<br>
<br>
running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.<br>
<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
<br>
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Pat Hacker &lt;<a href="mailto:pat@picoworks.com">pat@picoworks.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; on OSX 10.5.3<br>
&gt; % ./9vx.OSX -1g -u glenda<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; init: starting /bin/rc<br>
&gt; bind: #S: unknown device in # filename<br>
&gt; upas/fs: &#39;/bin/upas/fs&#39; does not exist<br>
&gt; #m/mousectl: rc: can&#39;t open: jmk added reentrancy for threads<br>
&gt; init: rc exit status: rc 4: error<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>

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confirmed for 10.5.3.

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote:
> MacOSX 10.5,
>
> running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.
>
>



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I'm noticing I can't type a colon ":" but semicolon works :-)


On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
wrote:

> confirmed for 10.5.3.
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org>
> wrote:
> > MacOSX 10.5,
> >
> > running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.
> >
> >
>
>

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I&#39;m noticing I can&#39;t type a colon &quot;:&quot; but semicolon works :-)<div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM, andrey mirtchovski &lt;<a href="mailto:mirtchovski@gmail.com">mirtchovski@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">confirmed for <a href="http://10.5.3." target="_blank">10.5.3.</a><br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros &lt;<a href="mailto:nemo@lsub.org">nemo@lsub.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">&gt; MacOSX 10.5,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>

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In fact, no capital letters work.

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:45 AM, David Leimbach <leimy2k@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm noticing I can't type a colon ":" but semicolon works :-)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM, andrey mirtchovski <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> confirmed for 10.5.3.
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org>
>> wrote:
>> > MacOSX 10.5,
>> >
>> > running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>

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In fact, no capital letters work.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:45 AM, David Leimbach &lt;<a href="mailto:leimy2k@gmail.com">leimy2k@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I&#39;m noticing I can&#39;t type a colon &quot;:&quot; but semicolon works :-)<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:39 AM, andrey mirtchovski &lt;<a href="mailto:mirtchovski@gmail.com" target="_blank">mirtchovski@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">confirmed for <a href="http://10.5.3." target="_blank">10.5.3.</a><br>
<div><br>
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros &lt;<a href="mailto:nemo@lsub.org" target="_blank">nemo@lsub.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
</div><div><div></div><div>&gt; MacOSX 10.5,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:57:22 -0700
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
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building on x86 64 bit.

first issue is that I get this:make: vx32-gcc: Command not found

second is that I get this:
gcc -Ilibvx32 -c -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I.  -o libvx32/linux.o libvx32/linux.c
libvx32/linux.c: In function `vx32_sighandler':
libvx32/linux.c:254: error: structure has no member named `rip'
libvx32/linux.c:303: error: structure has no member named `rip'
make: *** [libvx32/linux.o] Error 1

which makes sense I guess as we're not 64 bit and IIRC it has a different name.

Did you want -m32 on those files? I don't understand this well enough
yet to know.

But lguest just broke big time so if I can get this to work, I'm moving!

thanks

ron



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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:14:19 -0700
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:57 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
> building on x86 64 bit.
>
> first issue is that I get this:make: vx32-gcc: Command not found
>
> second is that I get this:
> gcc -Ilibvx32 -c -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I.  -o libvx32/linux.o libvx32/linux.c
> libvx32/linux.c: In function `vx32_sighandler':
> libvx32/linux.c:254: error: structure has no member named `rip'
> libvx32/linux.c:303: error: structure has no member named `rip'
> make: *** [libvx32/linux.o] Error 1

yeah. The rip thing is fixed for sigcontext in linux.c, but not in this:
// VX32 CPU state
struct vxcpu {
	uint32_t	reg[8];
	uint32_t	eip;
	uint32_t	eflags;

	uint32_t	traperr;
	uint32_t	trapva;  // cr2
};


So the #defines in libvx32/linux.c fix things for sigcontext and break
things for vxcpu struct.

Hmm.

It's rather sleazy but I put
#undef eip
at linux.c line 252 and it builds. Now I get a link error:
libvx32/libvx32.a(rts.o)(.text+0x99): In function `vxrun_lookup_backpatch':
libvx32/rts.S:127: undefined reference to `VXEMU_RETPTR'
libvx32/libvx32.a(rts.o)(.text+0x10d): In function `vxrun_lookup_indirect':
libvx32/rts.S:214: undefined reference to `VXEMU_RETPTR'
libvx32/libvx32.a(rts.o)(.text+0x13e): In function `vxrun_gentrap':
libvx32/rts.S:232: undefined reference to `VXEMU_RETPTR'
libvx32/libvx32.a(run64.o)(.text+0x2e): In function `vxrun':
libvx32/run64.S:56: undefined reference to `VXEMU_RUNPTR'
libvx32/libvx32.a(run64.o)(.text+0x60):libvx32/run64.S:82: undefined
reference to `VXEMU_RUNPTR'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: exit 2

more as I hit it. This is a little bit easier than building lguest
modules. Ah, this is going to be fun!

I just shorted vmware. I'm gonna be rich, I tell you! Rich!
ron



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:17:22 -0700
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> building on x86 64 bit.
>
> first issue is that I get this:make: vx32-gcc: Command not found
>
> second is that I get this:
> gcc -Ilibvx32 -c -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I.  -o libvx32/linux.o libvx32/linux.c
> libvx32/linux.c: In function `vx32_sighandler':
> libvx32/linux.c:254: error: structure has no member named `rip'
> libvx32/linux.c:303: error: structure has no member named `rip'
> make: *** [libvx32/linux.o] Error 1
>
> which makes sense I guess as we're not 64 bit and IIRC it has a different name.
>
> Did you want -m32 on those files? I don't understand this well enough
> yet to know.
>
> But lguest just broke big time so if I can get this to work, I'm moving!

make 9vx/9vx
will build only 9vx and will not need vx32-gcc.

if you make clean
and then edit the top-level src/Makefrag file to add -m32
to the HOST_CFLAGS and then make 9vx/9vx
you are likely to get a working binary.

compiling in 64-bit mode is almost certainly
not going to work; the plan 9 kernel code is
very 32-bit here.  and it would be very confused
if its own pointers were 64-bit but the user
code pointers were 32-bit.

russ



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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:31:14 -0600
From: "andrey mirtchovski" <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
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Try running with -F (and no -t). It seems to work fine on my machine.

andrey

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <nemo@lsub.org> wrote:
> MacOSX 10.5,
>
> running it with -t works fine here, including GUI.
>



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:41:36 +0200
From: Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>
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What broke in lguest? seemed quite nice from what I have seen so far,
just wondering because I was pondering using it for some projects.

Not to mean anything against vx32/9vx which is quite damned awesome as
far as I can see.

uriel

> But lguest just broke big time so if I can get this to work, I'm moving!
>
> thanks
>
> ron
>
>



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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:52:59 -0700
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
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This with a new untar, HOSTCFLAGS I added -m32


[rminnich@amd64 src]$ make 9vx/9vx
make: vx32-gcc: Command not found
make: vx32-gcc: Command not found
make: *** No rule to make target `9vx/9vx'.  Stop.


OK, I can see that 9vx/9vx target in 9vx/Makefrag, but the alarm just
went off and I gotta go pretend to work. More later. It would be nice
to have this work on x86 64 :-)

I do enjoy make sometimes.

thanks

ron



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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 08:54:30 -0700
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote:
> What broke in lguest? seemed quite nice from what I have seen so far,
> just wondering because I was pondering using it for some projects.

some things changed on the plan 9 side, and then on the lguest side,
and I can no longer build a working kernel. I've kind of run out of
patience with the linux kernel churn, so if vx32 works for me, I'm
moving on :-)

thanks
ron



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:39:42 -0700
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
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I'm on this 32 bit machine using vx32. Wow, nice. Boots like a bat.

now all I want is my fossil and venti :-)

This is really sweet. I think we've got an easy way to show people Plan 9 now.

thanks Russ!

ron



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On Jun 27, 2008, at 1:39 PM, ron minnich wrote:

> This is really sweet. I think we've got an easy way to show people
> Plan 9 now.

I agree: a self-contained 9 could really solve all my QEMU worries and
boot CD nonsense! (No mouse detection, "kbd init failed" x infinity,
inverse video - sorry) Now if only it could work without X11. I might
try that.




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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 11:59:22 -0700
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm on this 32 bit machine using vx32. Wow, nice. Boots like a bat.
>
> now all I want is my fossil and venti :-)
>
> This is really sweet. I think we've got an easy way to show people Plan 9
> now.
>
> thanks Russ!
>
> ron
>
> And uriel should be able to stop complaining about drawterm being redundant
:-)
Dave

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:39 AM, ron minnich &lt;<a href="mailto:rminnich@gmail.com">rminnich@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
I&#39;m on this 32 bit machine using vx32. Wow, nice. Boots like a bat.<br>
<br>
now all I want is my fossil and venti :-)<br>
<br>
This is really sweet. I think we&#39;ve got an easy way to show people Plan 9 now.<br>
<br>
thanks Russ!<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
ron<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div>And uriel should be able to stop complaining about drawterm being redundant :-)<div><br></div><div>Dave</div>

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:39:05 -0700
From: "ron minnich" <rminnich@gmail.com>
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So i realized I'm being foolish w.r.t my comments on "i want my venti"

in the 9vx directory
dd if=/dev/zero of=arenas bs=1048576 count=whatever

do for index and bloom
follow venti instructions.

voila. Venti. Rinse and repeat for fossil.

oh man I love this 9vx.

Time for tvx -- tiny vx -- no need for the H any more, as that stood
for horrible :-)
ron



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>
> oh man I love this 9vx.


Indeed, this is truly excellent.

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<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
oh man I love this 9vx.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Indeed, this is truly excellent.&nbsp;</div></div>

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:13:15 -0700
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this is fantastic. thank you Bryan and Russ.

i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
feasible?

> a quick announcement:
>
> 	http://swtch.com/9vx/
>
> i'll have time to say more later.
>
> russ




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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:24:42 -0700
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> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
> feasible?

i mean, any updates beyond what's on page 3 of the paper.




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From: "Brian L. Stuart" <blstuart@bellsouth.net>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:29:43 +0000
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> So i realized I'm being foolish w.r.t my comments on "i want my venti"
>
> in the 9vx directory
> dd if=/dev/zero of=arenas bs=1048576 count=whatever
>
> do for index and bloom
> follow venti instructions.
>
> voila. Venti. Rinse and repeat for fossil.

I haven't tried this yet, but is there any reason you
couldn't put block special files for disk partitions
in the 9vx directory and put the arenas, etc there,
assuming of course all the permissions were set right?
I'll probably give it a try later tonight unless someone
yells "Stop! You'll poke out your eye^W partition table."

> oh man I love this 9vx.
>
> Time for tvx -- tiny vx -- no need for the H any more, as that stood
> for horrible :-)

This is seriously cool.  I'm enough of a geezer that not
too much excites me anymore.  But today, I had fun reading
the USENIX paper and thinking about how to use this.

BLS




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To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
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On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
> feasible?
If you call translating the X API to Win32 or C++ .NET feasible, then
yes! I'm struggling to Cocoa-ize it. It seems like a much easier job
than with drawterm.

I believe the only folder you need to update is src/9vx/x11. It's
seven files of pure evil.




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
From: Dave Eckhardt <davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu>
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libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning "libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6's libpthread are not compatible."

I guess the priority of my "upgrade laptop's FreeBSD" thread has
just increased.

Dave Eckhardt



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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote:

> On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:
>
>> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
>> feasible?
>>
> If you call translating the X API to Win32 or C++ .NET feasible, then yes!
> I'm struggling to Cocoa-ize it. It seems like a much easier job than with
> drawterm.


I'm no expert in Cocoa-ification, but am more than willing to test and help
where and when I can (I have new father syndrome)


>
>
> I believe the only folder you need to update is src/9vx/x11. It's seven
> files of pure evil.
>
>
>

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM, Pietro Gagliardi &lt;<a href="mailto:pietro10@mac.com">pietro10@mac.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="Ih2E3d">On Jun 27, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
i&#39;ve not had a chance to look through the sources. &nbsp;is a windows port<br>
feasible?<br>
</blockquote></div>
If you call translating the X API to Win32 or C++ .NET feasible, then yes! I&#39;m struggling to Cocoa-ize it. It seems like a much easier job than with drawterm.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I&#39;m no expert in Cocoa-ification, but am more than willing to test and help where and when I can (I have new father syndrome)</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
<br>
I believe the only folder you need to update is src/9vx/x11. It&#39;s seven files of pure evil.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br>

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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:52:56 -0700
From: "David Leimbach" <leimy2k@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Dave Eckhardt
<davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu<davide%2Bp9@cs.cmu.edu>>
wrote:

> libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning "libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6's
> libpthread are not compatible."
>
> I guess the priority of my "upgrade laptop's FreeBSD" thread has
> just increased.
>
> Dave Eckhardt
>
> FreeBSD 7 has been for me quite good... I pretty much stopped using it
around FreeBSD 5, and 7 has made me think that over again.

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:41 PM, Dave Eckhardt &lt;<a href="mailto:davide%2Bp9@cs.cmu.edu">davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning &quot;libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6&#39;s libpthread are not compatible.&quot;<br>
<br>
I guess the priority of my &quot;upgrade laptop&#39;s FreeBSD&quot; thread has<br>
just increased.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Dave Eckhardt<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div>FreeBSD 7 has been for me quite good... I pretty much stopped using it around FreeBSD 5, and 7 has made me think that over again.

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:23:40 +0200
From: Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com>
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Life is so boring when your OS doesn't break compatibility with
existing APIs every other release... but my heart is torn between
FreeBSD and OS X; ah I got the solution: whoever breaks backwards
compatibility (again) first wins! I'm in a hurry to pick my next OS,
but this shouldn't take more than a week or two...

uriel

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Dave Eckhardt <davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning "libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6's libpthread are not compatible."
>
> I guess the priority of my "upgrade laptop's FreeBSD" thread has
> just increased.
>
> Dave Eckhardt
>
>



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Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 17:36:06 -0700
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Brian L. Stuart <blstuart@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I haven't tried this yet, but is there any reason you
> couldn't put block special files for disk partitions
> in the 9vx directory and put the arenas, etc there,
> assuming of course all the permissions were set right?

I see no reason that should not work. Tonight I'm going to try to move
my venti/fossil from lguest universe to vx universe if I get time.

ron



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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:36:01 +0800
From: "Fernan Bolando" <fernanbolando@mailc.net>
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On 6/27/08, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:
>
> a quick announcement:
>
>         http://swtch.com/9vx/
>
> i'll have time to say more later.
>
>
> russ
>
>
>

Wow. This is cool! I can now test my ports locally.  It should be possible
for two 9vx instance to communicate with each other right?

Bryan and Russ thanks a lot

fernan
--
http://www.fernski.com

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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/27/08, <b class="gmail_sendername">Russ Cox</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:rsc@swtch.com">rsc@swtch.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
a quick announcement:<br> <br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="http://swtch.com/9vx/">http://swtch.com/9vx/</a><br> <br> i&#39;ll have time to say more later.<br> <br><br> russ<br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><p>Wow. This is cool! I can now test my ports locally. &nbsp;It should be possible for two 9vx instance to communicate with each other right?</p>
<p>Bryan and Russ thanks a lot</p><p></p><p>fernan</p>-- <br><a href="http://www.fernski.com">http://www.fernski.com</a>

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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:59:45 +0000
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Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
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> I haven't tried this yet, but is there any reason you
> couldn't put block special files for disk partitions
> in the 9vx directory and put the arenas, etc there,
> assuming of course all the permissions were set right?
> I'll probably give it a try later tonight unless someone
> yells "Stop! You'll poke out your eye^W partition table."

Well, unless I'm missing something either obvious
or clever, the answer is no.  A Linux special file
looks like a zero length regular file to 9vx.  I
probably should have expected that.

I guess I'll sleep on the question of whether to just
use regular files or do something like a driver to
go with devsd.

BLS




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:03:31 +0200
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> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
> feasible?

I haven't looked at anything at all, but I've also never seen such a
happy reception on this list.  Please excuse the possible stupidity of
this question: is a Plan 9 port feasible?

++L




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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 07:25:04 -0400
To: 9fans@9fans.net
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> Well, unless I'm missing something either obvious
> or clever, the answer is no.  A Linux special file
> looks like a zero length regular file to 9vx.  I
> probably should have expected that.

the bits from p9p's _p9dir.c which were discussed the
other day could be used to solve that problem.

i think that would be enough for disk/partfs.

- erik



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To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:23:27 -0400
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Replying to many messages/threads ...

----------
> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
> feasible?

It should be doable.  You need equivalents of mmap,
mprotect, munmap, signal handlers, timer signals,
and some function to install new segment descriptors.
All of these exist on Windows XP.  The last may or may
not exist anymore on Vista; I have heard conflicting reports.

It's doable, but you'd have to be comfortable with writing
and debugging very low-level code.  It is close to bringing
Plan 9 up on a new machine.  Easier to debug than real
hardware, but that's not saying much.  And getting floating
point working is typically more difficult than on real hardware,
since the hardware has an accurate manual.


----------
> If you call translating the X API to Win32 or C++ .NET feasible, then yes!
> I'm struggling to Cocoa-ize it. It seems like a much easier job than with
> drawterm.

The graphics code should be the least of your problems.
That code hasn't been changed much since drawterm,
so you should be able to just drop the drawterm version in.

> I believe the only folder you need to update is src/9vx/x11. It's seven
> files of pure evil.

Thanks for the ringing endorsement.

> I'm struggling to Cocoa-ize it. It seems like a much easier job than with
> drawterm.

Instead of starting over, just drop in the drawterm code
and adjust until it fits.  It's almost exactly the same interface.

In fact much of the code is exactly the same as drawterm,
there's just this new x86 engine dropped into the mix.
I would definitely look there first if I wanted to add something.


----------
> I haven't looked at anything at all, but I've also never seen such a
> happy reception on this list.  Please excuse the possible stupidity of
> this question: is a Plan 9 port feasible?

Not with Plan 9 as it stands right now.  The virtual memory
system is really not set up for page-at-a-time mappings
like 9vx needs, and there's no facility to create new segment
descriptors, though that would be easier to fix.  One also
wonders what use it would be.  You could just start a new
shell and fiddle with its name space instead.


----------
>> Well, unless I'm missing something either obvious
>> or clever, the answer is no.  A Linux special file
>> looks like a zero length regular file to 9vx.  I
>> probably should have expected that.
>
> the bits from p9p's _p9dir.c which were discussed the
> other day could be used to solve that problem.

Added these yesterday afternoon (still have to set up
a public repository somewhere.)

> I guess I'll sleep on the question of whether to just
> use regular files or do something like a driver to
> go with devsd.

I added devsd and wrote an sd loopback yesterday afternoon.
It worked pretty well except that when I ran fdisk,
/dev/sd00/data disappeared.  I was going to debug that
before saying anything.

vx32% ls -l /dev/sd*
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc 0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sdctl
vx32% bind '#Z' /n/unix
vx32% ls -l /n/unix/dev/sda
--rw-rw---- Z 2 root rsc 250059350016 May 17 16:12 /n/unix/dev/sda
vx32% echo loop rw /n/unix/dev/sda >/dev/sdctl
vx32% ls -l /dev/sd*
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc            0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/ctl
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc 250059350016 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/data
-lrw------- S 0 rsc rsc            0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/raw
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc            0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sdctl
vx32% disk/fdisk -p /dev/sd00/data >/dev/sd00/ctl
vx32% ls -l /dev/sd*
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc            0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/ctl
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc 243830168064 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/linux
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc   6226504704 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/linuxswap
-lrw------- S 0 rsc rsc            0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sd00/raw
--rw-r----- S 0 rsc rsc            0 Jun 27 15:39 /dev/sdctl
vx32%


----------
> Wow. This is cool! I can now test my ports locally.  It should be possible
> for two 9vx instance to communicate with each other right?

Sure.  They all share the host's IP stack.

Also, I should add that #Z knows how to open
Unix domain sockets, you can mount p9p servers:

vx32% bind '#Z' /n/unix
vx32% aux/stub -d /mnt/factotum
vx32% mount /n/unix/tmp/ns.rsc.:0/factotum /mnt/factotum
vx32% ls -l /mnt/factotum
-lrw------- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/confirm
--r-------- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/conv
--rw------- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/ctl
-lrw------- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/log
-lrw------- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/needkey
--r--r--r-- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/proto
--rw-rw-rw- M 15 rsc rsc 0 Jun 28 11:11 /mnt/factotum/rpc
vx32%

(The aux/stub is needed because p9p factotum doesn't
present the top-level factotum directory that Plan 9's does,
unless you start it with the -x flag.  Could make that an
attach specifier instead.)


----------
>> libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning "libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6's libpthread are not compatible."
>>
>> I guess the priority of my "upgrade laptop's FreeBSD" thread has
>> just increased.
>
> Life is so boring when your OS doesn't break compatibility with
> existing APIs every other release... but my heart is torn between
> FreeBSD and OS X; ah I got the solution: whoever breaks backwards
> compatibility (again) first wins! I'm in a hurry to pick my next OS,

FreeBSD is *very* good about backward compatibility,
about as good as Plan 9 is.  I can still run decade old
FreeBSD binaries.  The problem here isn't backward
compatibility.  It's that FreeBSD, like Linux and the others,
took a while to figure out that threads really need to
be implemented by the kernel, and they didn't get around
to that until FreeBSD 7.


----------
My plan is to push out a new release once someone
finds and fixes the OS X cpu bug.  Anyone?



Russ



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So I guess that rules out linux :-)

On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Uriel <uriel99@gmail.com> wrote:

> Life is so boring when your OS doesn't break compatibility with
> existing APIs every other release... but my heart is torn between
> FreeBSD and OS X; ah I got the solution: whoever breaks backwards
> compatibility (again) first wins! I'm in a hurry to pick my next OS,
> but this shouldn't take more than a week or two...
>
> uriel
>
> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Dave Eckhardt <davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu<davide%2Bp9@cs.cmu.edu>>
> wrote:
> > libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning "libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6's
> libpthread are not compatible."
> >
> > I guess the priority of my "upgrade laptop's FreeBSD" thread has
> > just increased.
> >
> > Dave Eckhardt
> >
> >
>
>

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So I guess that rules out linux :-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Uriel &lt;<a href="mailto:uriel99@gmail.com">uriel99@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Life is so boring when your OS doesn&#39;t break compatibility with<br>
existing APIs every other release... but my heart is torn between<br>
FreeBSD and OS X; ah I got the solution: whoever breaks backwards<br>
compatibility (again) first wins! I&#39;m in a hurry to pick my next OS,<br>
but this shouldn&#39;t take more than a week or two...<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
uriel<br>
</font><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br>
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Dave Eckhardt &lt;<a href="mailto:davide%2Bp9@cs.cmu.edu">davide+p9@cs.cmu.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; libvx32/freebsd.c:20:2: warning: #warning &quot;libvx32 and FreeBSD 5 and 6&#39;s libpthread are not compatible.&quot;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I guess the priority of my &quot;upgrade laptop&#39;s FreeBSD&quot; thread has<br>
&gt; just increased.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Dave Eckhardt<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>

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From: Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
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Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
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Yes. It's a single line of code:

	exec rc -c '{ newns; rio }'

On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:03 AM, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:

>> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows port
>> feasible?
>
> I haven't looked at anything at all, but I've also never seen such a
> happy reception on this list.  Please excuse the possible stupidity of
> this question: is a Plan 9 port feasible?
>
> ++L
>
>




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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To: 9fans@9fans.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 19:29:47 +0200
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>> I haven't looked at anything at all, but I've also never seen such a
>> happy reception on this list.  Please excuse the possible stupidity of
>> this question: is a Plan 9 port feasible?
>
> Not with Plan 9 as it stands right now.  The virtual memory
> system is really not set up for page-at-a-time mappings
> like 9vx needs, and there's no facility to create new segment
> descriptors, though that would be easier to fix.  One also
> wonders what use it would be.  You could just start a new
> shell and fiddle with its name space instead.

I'm sure I risk making a total fool of myself here, seeing as I don't
know anything about VX, nevermind 9vx.  But I am of the opinion that
Plan 9 is still preferable as a platform on which to do virtualisation
and the ability to run a VX port on Plan 9 may be the trigger for
other OSes to follow.  And if that is totally off the mark, don't
bother reading the rest of my post, just put me out of your misery :-)

There are two possible errors in my speculations: firstly that having
VX capabilities over Plan 9 isn't sufficient to provide a
virtualisation environment for, say Linux (as I say, I'm really
shooting in the dark here, feel free to educate me) and secondly that
Plan 9's elegance will not have the appeal I would expect.  Russ'
technical reservations are real enough, but not unsurmountable.

++L




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On Jun 28, 2008, at 11:23 AM, Russ Cox wrote:

> Instead of starting over, just drop in the drawterm code
> and adjust until it fits.  It's almost exactly the same interface.

Interesting. I'll try that and find out how it goes. (I was starting
to use Interface Builder and Xcode!) There is one bug, though, in the
drawterm code:

1) Copy something in OS X
2) Paste in Plan 9
3) Copy something smaller
4) Paste in Plan 9

Apparently, drawterm doesn't truncate. I'll see why.




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scratch that - no newns. (what is it's name?)

On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:

> Yes. It's a single line of code:
>
> 	exec rc -c '{ newns; rio }'
>
> On Jun 28, 2008, at 1:03 AM, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote:
>
>>> i've not had a chance to look through the sources.  is a windows
>>> port
>>> feasible?
>>
>> I haven't looked at anything at all, but I've also never seen such a
>> happy reception on this list.  Please excuse the possible stupidity
>> of
>> this question: is a Plan 9 port feasible?
>>
>> ++L
>>
>>
>
>




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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 23:32:01 +0800
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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:12 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> there's not access to the network device per ce, but the network works
> fine for me.  this is what i needed to do to connect to plan 9
> networks
>
>        1. edit /lib/ndb/auth and /lib/ndb/local as appropriate.
>        2. rm /net/cs; ndb/cs
>        3. auth/factotum
>        4. cpu -h $host

 Same recipe works here. But I've no idea why the rm /net/cs is
necessary - can anyone put me out of my misery?
-sqweek



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:09:10 -0400
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> Same recipe works here. But I've no idea why the rm /net/cs is
> necessary - can anyone put me out of my misery?

There are a bunch of rough edges that need to be fixed.
This is one of them.  9vx provides a #I/cs so that you
can do things like hget without starting cs.  But it can't
translate auth domains via /lib/ndb, which factotum
needs it to do.  So you have to start the more full-featured
ndb/cs, but that mounts itself on /net using MAFTER
(a bug, if you ask me).  Because I knew I couldn't get
a fix to ndb/cs into the distribution in time, I made the
#I/cs file removable.

Originally, the reason for providing #I/cs was to provide
access to host DNS lookups, just like it does in drawterm.
Now that there is a separate #I/dns (that ndb/cs will use),
it might be that the right thing to do is just toss away #I/cs
so that termrc will start a real one.

Another rough edge, if anyone wants a challenge, is that
gs goes into an I/O-free loop after reading the first 4k of
/sys/lib/ghostscript/gs_init.ps.  (I deleted gs from the 9vx
tar file to save space, so you'll have to run against a
distribution tree instead.)

Russ



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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:00:40 -0600
From: "andrey mirtchovski" <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>
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now that you've explained the cs issue things are much clearer. i can
confirm that I have successfully booted a 9vx terminal off a remote
plan9 server using a small modification to factotum.

the original boot process failed with:

password:
!
authentication failed (auth_proxy rpc write: bootes: Connection
refused), trying mount anyways
boot: mount /: fossil authCheck: auth protocol not finished
9vx panic: boot process died: unknown

and the change simply sidesteps factotum using cs to figure out
who/what to dial, instead just using IP addresses.

here's the hack:

9grid% yesterday -d util.c
diff /n/dump/2008/0630/sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/util.c
/sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/util.c
33c33
< 		return authdial(net, authdom);
---
> 		;//return authdial(net, authdom);
9grid%

now compile 8.factotum and copy it as 9vx/src/9vx/factotum.9 and recompile 9vx.

unfortunately with a terminal booted thusly i no longer have /mnt/term :)



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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 11:07:25 -0600
From: "andrey mirtchovski" <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>
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> now compile 8.factotum and copy it as 9vx/src/9vx/factotum.9 and recompile 9vx.

err, make that vx32/src/9vx/factotum.9. i'm compiling against the
latest mercurial, but there's not reason why it shouldn't just work
with .11 and .10



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:02:03 -0400
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> 9grid% yesterday -d util.c
> diff /n/dump/2008/0630/sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/util.c
> /sys/src/cmd/auth/factotum/util.c
> 33c33
> < 		return authdial(net, authdom);
> ---
>> 		;//return authdial(net, authdom);
> 9grid%

Does it work to set csremoved=1 in src/9vx/devip.c instead?

> unfortunately with a terminal booted thusly i no longer have /mnt/term :)

bind '#Z' /mnt/term

Russ



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 12:34:03 -0600
From: "andrey mirtchovski" <mirtchovski@gmail.com>
To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@9fans.net>
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> Does it work to set csremoved=1 in src/9vx/devip.c instead?

I can confirm that this works, with the benefit of using secstore
instead of prompting for my password.



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:44:41 -0400
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>> Does it work to set csremoved=1 in src/9vx/devip.c instead?
>
> I can confirm that this works, with the benefit of using secstore
> instead of prompting for my password.

Okay, done.  Thanks.

Russ



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:29:25 -0700
From: Anthony Martin <ality@pbrane.org>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Message-ID: <20080701022925.GA19265@dinah>
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> I added devsd and wrote an sd loopback yesterday afternoon.
> It worked pretty well except that when I ran fdisk,
> /dev/sd00/data disappeared.  I was going to debug that
> before saying anything.

Here's the fix for the fdisk problem:

/sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/edit.c:503,508 - edit.c:503,509
  	 */
  	for(i=0; i<edit->nctlpart; i++) {
  		p = edit->ctlpart[i];
+ 		if(strncmp(p->ctlname, "data", 5) != 0)
  		if(p->changed)
  		if(fprint(ctlfd, "delpart %s\n", p->ctlname)<0) {
  			fprint(2, "delpart failed: %s: %r\n", p->ctlname);

     Anthony



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
Message-ID: <5323b750f50b30ff0911d940775e072d@quanstro.net>
To: 9fans@9fans.net
From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 05:09:06 -0400
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>> I added devsd and wrote an sd loopback yesterday afternoon.
>> It worked pretty well except that when I ran fdisk,
>> /dev/sd00/data disappeared.  I was going to debug that
>> before saying anything.
>
> Here's the fix for the fdisk problem:
>
> /sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/edit.c:503,508 - edit.c:503,509
>   	 */
>   	for(i=0; i<edit->nctlpart; i++) {
>   		p = edit->ctlpart[i];
> + 		if(strncmp(p->ctlname, "data", 5) != 0)
>   		if(p->changed)
>   		if(fprint(ctlfd, "delpart %s\n", p->ctlname)<0) {
>   			fprint(2, "delpart failed: %s: %r\n", p->ctlname);


i don't think this is the right solution.

as geoff pointed out, fdisk shouldn't be deleteing the parent
partition or any partitions that lie outside its parent partition.

obviously prep has a similar problem.

- erik




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 08:10:22 -0400
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> Here's the fix for the fdisk problem:
>
> /sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/edit.c:503,508 - edit.c:503,509
>   	 */
>   	for(i=0; i<edit->nctlpart; i++) {
>   		p = edit->ctlpart[i];
> + 		if(strncmp(p->ctlname, "data", 5) != 0)
>   		if(p->changed)
>   		if(fprint(ctlfd, "delpart %s\n", p->ctlname)<0) {
>   			fprint(2, "delpart failed: %s: %r\n", p->ctlname);

That would work, but one wonders why
the normal kernel doesn't have this problem.

Russ



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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 09:25:12 -0400
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>> Here's the fix for the fdisk problem:
>>
>> /sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/edit.c:503,508 - edit.c:503,509
>>   	 */
>>   	for(i=0; i<edit->nctlpart; i++) {
>>   		p = edit->ctlpart[i];
>> + 		if(strncmp(p->ctlname, "data", 5) != 0)
>>   		if(p->changed)
>>   		if(fprint(ctlfd, "delpart %s\n", p->ctlname)<0) {
>>   			fprint(2, "delpart failed: %s: %r\n", p->ctlname);

on second read, with this approach, i would think that strcmp() not
strncmp should be used.

>
> That would work, but one wonders why
> the normal kernel doesn't have this problem.

this must be a quirk of the interaction between
devsd and fdisk.  by hand data does disappear:

	; lc
	9fat	ctl	data	nvram	plan9	raw
	; for(i in 9fat data nvram plan9 data)echo delpart $i>ctl
	; lc
	ctl	raw

by the way, be very careful with this before
applying this patch:

; diff -c /sys/src/9/port/devsd.c /n/dump/2008/0701/sys/src/9/port/devsd.c
/sys/src/9/port/devsd.c:147,153 - /n/dump/2008/0701/sys/src/9/port/devsd.c:147,152
  	 */
  	pp = unit->part;
  	for(i = 0; i < unit->npart; i++){
- 		if(pp->name)
  		if(strcmp(name, pp->name) == 0)
  			break;
  		pp++;

this is required because npart is set to the number
of partitions allocated.  the names never-set partitions
might be 0.  otherwise "delpart missingpart>/dev/sdXX/ctl"
will be a noisy and somewhat gratituous synonym for
"echo reboot>/dev/reboot".

- erik




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 10:40:47 -0400
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> this must be a quirk of the interaction between
> devsd and fdisk.  by hand data does disappear:
>
> 	; lc
> 	9fat	ctl	data	nvram	plan9	raw
> 	; for(i in 9fat data nvram plan9 data)echo delpart $i>ctl
> 	; lc
> 	ctl	raw

You are allowed to delete the data partition.
The problem is that fdisk should not be trying to.
Since it doesn't do that on native Plan 9, there
must be some aspect of devsd that is not behaving
the same way under 9vx that it does under Plan 9.
The bug is in devsd, though you'll probably have to
add prints to fdisk to find it.

Plan 9:

glenda# disk/fdisk -p /dev/sdC0/data
part linux 63 58589055
part plan9 58589055 241248105
glenda#

9vx:

% bind '#Z' /n/unix
% echo loop rw /n/unix/dev/sda >/dev/sdctl
% disk/fdisk -p /dev/sd00/data
delpart data
part linux 63 476230860
part linuxswap 476230923 488392065
%

That's running on a different disk but the same
fdisk binary (the one from sources as of today,
dated May 10).

Russ



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To: 9fans@9fans.net
From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 13:23:29 -0400
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> The bug is in devsd, though you'll probably have to
> add prints to fdisk to find it.
>

yup.  9vx creates ctl files without a "geometry line".
libdisk/disk.c:/^opensd demands it.

also, it would be nice if 9vx devsd created an entry
in sdctl for each loopback controller.

i apologize for not sending a patch.  i haven't yet
gotten the vx32 compilers working on my machine.
i'm sure this is operator error.

- erik




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 13:32:05 -0400
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> yup.  9vx creates ctl files without a "geometry line".
> libdisk/disk.c:/^opensd demands it.

thanks.

> also, it would be nice if 9vx devsd created an entry
> in sdctl for each loopback controller.

i intended it to, though perhaps i messed that up.

> i apologize for not sending a patch.  i haven't yet
> gotten the vx32 compilers working on my machine.
> i'm sure this is operator error.

you don't need them to build 9vx.
just "make 9vx/9vx" instead of make.

looking forward to a patch.  ;-)

russ



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rc bug.  it appears something is going wrong
with rc's local assignments.  ifs has the usual
value.

; font=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font rio
rio: can't access /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod
*.font: bad character in file name: '/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod
*.font'
; unicode 

0001
; echo /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font
/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod14.font
; x=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font
; whatis x
x=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod14.font

- erik




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: rc bug
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 15:11:19 -0400
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> rc bug.

please put non-9vx bugs in their own threads.  thanks.

> it appears something is going wrong
> with rc's local assignments.  ifs has the usual
> value.
>
> ; font=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font rio
> rio: can't access /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod
*.font: bad character in file name: '/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod
*.font'
> ; unicode 

> 0001
> ; echo /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font
> /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod14.font
> ; x=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font
> ; whatis x
> x=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod14.font

% diff -c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/exec.c .
/n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/exec.c:751,759 - ./exec.c:751,761
  	}
  	deglob(runq->argv->words->word);
  	runq->local = newvar(strdup(runq->argv->words->word), runq->local);
- 	runq->local->val = copywords(runq->argv->next->words, (word *)0);
- 	runq->local->changed = 1;
  	poplist();
+ 	globlist();
+ 	runq->local->val = runq->argv->words;
+ 	runq->local->changed = 1;
+ 	runq->argv->words = 0;
  	poplist();
  }

%

russ



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To: 9fans@9fans.net
From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 17:13:57 -0400
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>> rc bug.
>
> please put non-9vx bugs in their own threads.  thanks.

i thought it was.  sorry.

in any event, 9vx ps has the quirk that it thinks every command
that hasn't set its args has 1 argument, argv[0] consisting of
the entire argument list.

unless my kernel is somehow out-of-date, this is 9vx specific.

<useless utf-8 here>☺</useless utf-8 here>

- erik




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To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] 9vx ps bug
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 17:28:33 -0400
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> in any event, 9vx ps has the quirk that it thinks every command
> that hasn't set its args has 1 argument, argv[0] consisting of
> the entire argument list.
>
> unless my kernel is somehow out-of-date, this is 9vx specific.

yes it is.  i did not understand the format of p->args
when i rewrote sysexec.  fixed in hg.

russ



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I saw something similar before, but unfortunately, the patch below
doesn't fix it.

cpu% fn 'file?' { test -f $* }
cpu% 'file?' /LICENSE
cpu% echo $status

cpu% 'file?' /foo
cpu% echo $status
test 145387: false
cpu% rc
cpu% 'file?' /LICENSE
rc: can't open /env/fn#file
?: bad character in file name: '/env/fn#file
?'
file?: '/bin/file?' file does not exist
cpu% 'file?' /LICENSE
file?: '/bin/file?' file does not exist
cpu% unicode 

0001
cpu%


>> it appears something is going wrong
>> with rc's local assignments.  ifs has the usual
>> value.
>>
>> ; font=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font rio
>> rio: can't access /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod
*.font: bad character in file name: '/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod
*.font'
>> ; unicode 

>> 0001
>> ; echo /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font
>> /lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod14.font
>> ; x=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod*.font
>> ; whatis x
>> x=/lib/font/bit/cyberbit/mod14.font
>
> % diff -c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/exec.c .
> /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/exec.c:751,759 - ./exec.c:751,761
>   	}
>   	deglob(runq->argv->words->word);
>   	runq->local = newvar(strdup(runq->argv->words->word), runq->local);
> - 	runq->local->val = copywords(runq->argv->next->words, (word *)0);
> - 	runq->local->changed = 1;
>   	poplist();
> + 	globlist();
> + 	runq->local->val = runq->argv->words;
> + 	runq->local->changed = 1;
> + 	runq->argv->words = 0;
>   	poplist();
>   }
>
> %




From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] rc bug
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 19:11:11 -0400
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> I saw something similar before, but unfortunately, the patch below
> doesn't fix it.

I submitted a patch.

diff ./io.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/io.c
94c94
< 	for(t = s;*t;t++) if(*t >= 0 && needsrcquote(*t)) break;
---
> 	for(t = s;*t;t++) if(!wordchr(*t)) break;
diff ./plan9.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/plan9.c
278c278
< 				pfmt(fd, "fn %q %s\n", v->name, v->fn[v->pc-1].s);
---
> 				pfmt(fd, "fn %s %s\n", v->name, v->fn[v->pc-1].s);



From mboxrd@z Thu Jan  1 00:00:00 1970
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To: 9fans@9fans.net
From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 19:12:07 -0400
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> I submitted a patch.
>
> diff ./io.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/io.c
> 94c94
> < 	for(t = s;*t;t++) if(*t >= 0 && needsrcquote(*t)) break;
> ---
>> 	for(t = s;*t;t++) if(!wordchr(*t)) break;
> diff ./plan9.c /n/sources/plan9/sys/src/cmd/rc/plan9.c
> 278c278
> < 				pfmt(fd, "fn %q %s\n", v->name, v->fn[v->pc-1].s);
> ---
>> 				pfmt(fd, "fn %s %s\n", v->name, v->fn[v->pc-1].s);

i don't think that fixes it.  try this test on plan 9

	fn 'test?' {echo}
	lc /env

- erik




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To: 9fans@9fans.net
Subject: Re: [9fans] rc bug
From: "Russ Cox" <rsc@swtch.com>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 19:31:51 -0400
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> i don't think that fixes it.  try this test on plan 9
>
> 	fn 'test?' {echo}
> 	lc /env

it does, unless you build an 8.out and test it
without installing it as /386/bin/rc.
when you invoked lc, a shell script, that ran the buggy
/386/bin/rc, which polluted the environment.
in fact you have to run lc twice to cause the problem:
the first rc reads the fn out of the environment and
writes it back incorrectly, and the second one then
gets confused.

vx32% 8.out
broken! rfork e
broken! fn 'test?' {echo}
broken! cat /env/'fn#test?'
fn 'test?' {echo}
broken! /n/sources/plan9/386/bin/rc -c exit
broken! cat /env/'fn#test?'
fn test? {echo}
broken! /n/sources/plan9/386/bin/rc -c exit
rc: can't open /env/fn#test
?: bad character in file name: '/env/fn#test
?'
broken!

notice the lack of quotes around test? after buggy rc runs.



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From: erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net>
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 2008 19:38:58 -0400
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- 9fans.

>> i don't think that fixes it.  try this test on plan 9
>>
>> 	fn 'test?' {echo}
>> 	lc /env
>
> it does, unless you build an 8.out and test it
> without installing it as /386/bin/rc.
> when you invoked lc, a shell script, that ran the buggy
> /386/bin/rc, which polluted the environment.
> in fact you have to run lc twice to cause the problem:
> the first rc reads the fn out of the environment and
> writes it back incorrectly, and the second one then
> gets confused.

pfft.  i'm feeling so smart today!

doesn't a similar change need to be made in
win32.c and simple.c?

also, does Xfn need to call deglob() on each function
name?

- erik




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On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 8:17 AM, Russ Cox <rsc@swtch.com> wrote:

> if you make clean
> and then edit the top-level src/Makefrag file to add -m32
> to the HOST_CFLAGS and then make 9vx/9vx
> you are likely to get a working binary.

I'm just trying this now. I was missing stubs-32.h on FC9.
I had to do this:

sudo yum install compat-gcc-34 compat-gcc-34-c++

It's a very important file; it has stuff like this in it :-)

#ifdef _LIBC
 #error Applications may not define the macro _LIBC
#endif

#define __stub___kernel_cosl
#define __stub___kernel_sinl
#define __stub___kernel_tanl
#define __stub_chflags
#define __stub_fattach
#define __stub_fchflags
#define __stub_fdetach
#define __stub_gtty
#define __stub_lchmod
#define __stub_revoke
#define __stub_setlogin
#define __stub_sigreturn
#define __stub_sstk
#define __stub_stty

Pretty!

I also had to do this:
diff -r a18e9872164b src/9vx/Makefrag
--- a/src/9vx/Makefrag	Wed Dec 10 03:29:15 2008 -0800
+++ b/src/9vx/Makefrag	Mon Apr 27 22:02:37 2009 -0700
@@ -124,7 +124,8 @@
 		x11-kernel.o \
 		x11-keysym2rune.o \
 	)
-PLAN9_x11_LIBS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lX11
+#PLAN9_x11_LIBS = -L/usr/X11R6/lib -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib -lX11
+PLAN9_x11_LIBS =  /usr/lib/libX11.so.6

 PLAN9_osx_OBJS =\
 	$(addprefix 9vx/osx/, \
@@ -148,7 +149,7 @@
 	libvx32/libvx32.a \

 9vx/9vx: $(PLAN9_DEPS)
-	$(HOST_CC) -o $@ $(PLAN9_DEPS) $(PLAN9_GUI_LIBS) -lpthread
+	$(HOST_CC) $(HOST_LDFLAGS) -o $@ $(PLAN9_DEPS) $(PLAN9_GUI_LIBS) -lpthread

 9vx/a/%.o: 9vx/a/%.c
 	$(HOST_CC) $(HOST_CFLAGS) -I. -I9vx -I9vx/a -Wall
-Wno-missing-braces -c -o $@ $<
diff -r a18e9872164b src/Makefrag
--- a/src/Makefrag	Wed Dec 10 03:29:15 2008 -0800
+++ b/src/Makefrag	Mon Apr 27 22:02:37 2009 -0700
@@ -1,9 +1,9 @@
 # Main top-level makefile fragment for the vx32 virtual machine.

 # Compiler flags common to both host and VX32 environment files.
-COMMON_CFLAGS = -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I. $(CFLAGS)
+COMMON_CFLAGS = -g -O3 -MD -std=gnu99 -I. $(CFLAGS) -m32
 #COMMON_CFLAGS = -g -MD -std=gnu99 -I. $(CFLAGS)
-COMMON_LDFLAGS = -g -L. $(LDFLAGS)
+COMMON_LDFLAGS = -g -L. $(LDFLAGS) -m32

 # Host environment compiler options
 HOST_CC		:= $(CC)

Comments:
1. No, it can't find -lX11 even with a little hand-holding -L/usr/lib
to help it. Don't know, don't care...
2. It really seems to need HOST_LDFLAGS to work correctly on the
9vx/9vx link step.
3. It didn't work well for me unless I put -m32 on the COMMON_CFLAGS
4. I think what I'm doing with LDFLAGS is wrong wrong wrong

And, well, it builds. But it dies.

 9vx panic: user fault: signo=11 addr=0 [useraddr=28054000] read=1
eip=80c222a esp=d724cd5c
aborting, to dump core.

which is:
0x080c2228 <vxrun+24>:	mov    %eax,%es
0x080c222a <vxrun+26>:	mov    %eax,%ss

which makes sense I guess.

Anyway, I figure I'll go back and look some more. Probably reset my
changes first.

ron



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the current 9vx tree builds and runs fine
using ubuntu on x86-64:

c2=; cat /etc/lsb-release
DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.10
DISTRIB_CODENAME=intrepid
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.10"
c2=; uname -a
Linux c2 2.6.27-9-generic #1 SMP Thu Nov 20 22:15:32 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
c2=;

the tree has been broken for a few months.
i removed -fno-inline from the gcc command line
but apparently that was making gcc work!

if you have a partially built tree, you need to
make clean after pulling the updates.

russ