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Vic On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 07:27, hiro wrote: > just send the code then > > On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 12:22=E2=80=AFAM wrote: >> >> Let me explain my intent and elaborate on my point of view. I started a= new thread to enhance the signal-to-noise ratio. It's easy for a thread to= become cluttered with multiple issues, so I believe creating separate thre= ads for distinct concerns helps streamline communication and keeps discussi= ons focused. >> >> As a hobbyist, I see we all share a passion for Plan 9 and its developme= nt. Enhancing collaboration between communities would benefit everyone inv= olved, and potentially enhance decorum on 9fans. I am curious to gauge whe= ther there is any interest in activities that could facilitate positive tea= mwork, foster stronger connections, and break down barriers between communi= ties. >> >> Fostering discord among communities seems to only perpetuate more discor= d. In my mind, seeking to improve collaboration between communities seemed= , and still seems, worthwhile. >> >> As a hobbyist, I find myself pondering: What motivates individuals to pa= rticipate in 9fans if not for a genuine interest in supporting the Plan 9 c= ommunity? >> >> Vic >> >> >> On Sun, May 12, 2024, at 01:26, hiro wrote: >> > congrats for teaching the bot to create more email threads with new >> > subjects. just what we need as a community. >> > >> > On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 4:55=E2=80=AFPM Lucio De Re wrote: >> >> >> >> I guess we're on the same page, right up and including the fist fight= (s). But I think we are all entitled to be treated more courteously in a pu= blic forum such as this, including not ascribing malice unless it is explic= it. Being touchy has plagued this forum just about forever, it would be nic= er if instead of calling out bad behaviour, it got the benefit of the doubt= . I accept that I was as guilty of that presumption as much as anyone who p= osted after me. >> >> >> >> Lucio. >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 10, 2024 at 3:39=E2=80=AFPM wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> > What I notice - correct me if I am mistaken - is that any comparis= on between 9front and 9legacy seems to needle a few members (very few, ther= e are many names from that community that have not participated, specifical= ly the ones I know hand have long respectes, ask them) of the 9front commun= ity that seem to take offence unless 9front is painted in a better light. 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