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From: Charles Forsyth <forsyth@terzarima.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] new compilers
Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 10:43:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d0d156f44bbb4ede967989982b99586@terzarima.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6cc27558710263342edab21d0db7e92a@lsub.org>

> Type checking was also a concern. I think they did not
> understand that a data type (or xml tree) is not a guarantee
> to have the system know about "semantics". They got
> even more scared when I replied that the system should
> best not be involved in semantics (which is up to the user).

i have heard that before.  it's worth noting (just for the sake of it,
not because anyone necessarily takes it in) that the system has got
certain conventions.  for instance, networks are in /net and their name spaces
must adhere to some network-independent conventions, both in terms
of names they present, and how those names behave with open/read/write.

furthermore, control requests are checked by write and return an error if they are invalid.
(that by the way is something they often don't realise unless you point it out.)
this is not much different in practice from python (say) checking types of things
at run-time.  or javascript (and AJAX is all the rage, and note that the X in that is optional).
actually, it is different, because in my experience run-time errors
in python programs are not uncommon, but i never see /proc inadvertently confused with /net.
it is easy to use the wrong instance of something (eg, an inside /net not the outside one)
but then they would have the same type.

if you have the need, you can put a contract-enforcing name
space in the way of another name space.  as a simple example, a few
lines of code, easily validated, will enforce read-only access to the contents of any
name space.  that is quite hard to do with web services in general.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-31  9:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-31  9:17 Fco. J. Ballesteros
2006-03-31  9:40 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  9:42 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  9:43 ` Charles Forsyth [this message]
2006-03-31  9:46 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31  9:48   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  9:56     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31 10:01       ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 10:03       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31 10:08         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-06 18:26         ` [9fans] " Nikita Danilov
2006-03-31 14:58       ` [9fans] " David Leimbach
2006-03-31 15:01         ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 22:02 ` Taj Khattra
2006-04-03 16:21 ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-03 17:17   ` Paul Lalonde
2006-04-03 19:01     ` Artem Letko
2006-04-03 19:22       ` Paul Lalonde
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-04-03 22:54 erik quanstrom
2006-03-31 14:42 erik quanstrom
2006-03-31 13:27 erik quanstrom
2006-03-31 14:47 ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 12:31 Fco. J. Ballesteros
2006-03-31 12:53 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31 13:23 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31 14:42   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-30 20:14 Steve Simon
2006-03-29  1:18 erik quanstrom
2006-03-28  0:40 erik quanstrom
2006-03-28 17:52 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-28 18:15   ` Bakul Shah
2006-03-28 18:29     ` Sape Mullender
2006-03-28 18:52       ` LiteStar numnums
2006-03-28 19:15         ` Victor Nazarov
2006-03-29 16:33           ` Burton Samograd
2006-03-29 21:17             ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2006-03-29 21:44               ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-04-02 18:17       ` Aharon Robbins
2006-04-02 18:33         ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-02 19:47         ` lucio
2006-04-02 20:12           ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-04-02 20:16             ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-03  4:35               ` lucio
2006-04-03  5:38                 ` George Michaelson
2006-04-03  6:45                   ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-03  5:38                 ` LiteStar numnums
2006-04-03  8:31                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-04-03  9:36                   ` uriel
2006-04-03 12:50                     ` Martin C. Atkins
2006-04-03  9:39                   ` lucio
2006-04-03 13:46                 ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-03 14:30                 ` David Leimbach
2006-04-03 16:02                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-03 20:41                     ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-03 21:02                       ` uriel
2006-04-03 21:32                         ` Ronald G Minnich
2006-04-03 23:42                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-04  0:29                           ` Anthony Sorace
2006-04-04  5:02                             ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-04  3:15                         ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-04  3:28                         ` Jack Johnson
2006-04-04  6:31                           ` David Leimbach
2006-04-04  4:21                         ` lucio
2006-04-05  1:00                         ` Brantley Coile
2006-04-05  4:35                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-04-04 12:31                       ` rog
2006-04-03  3:17           ` plan9
2006-04-03  4:17             ` lucio
2006-03-28  0:30 erik quanstrom
2006-03-25 13:56 Russ Cox
2006-03-25 19:48 ` David Leimbach
2006-03-25 19:53   ` Burton Samograd
2006-03-25 19:59     ` David Leimbach
2006-03-25 20:02   ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-25 21:25     ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-25 21:28     ` quanstro
2006-03-25 21:33       ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-25 22:42         ` quanstro
2006-03-25 22:46         ` quanstro
2006-03-26  1:46           ` jmk
2006-03-26  2:52             ` quanstro
2006-03-26  8:14               ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-26  8:41                 ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-03-26 17:06                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-26 17:00             ` David Leimbach
2006-03-27 17:31             ` rog
2006-03-27 19:01               ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-27 19:15                 ` Paul Lalonde
2006-03-27 19:21                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-30 17:41                   ` rog
2006-03-30 17:44                     ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 18:24                       ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 17:51                     ` Christoph Lohmann
2006-03-30 17:54                       ` Sape Mullender
2006-03-30 18:30                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 18:43                           ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-03-30 18:48                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 18:51                               ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-03-30 18:51                             ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 21:00                           ` Bakul Shah
2006-03-30 23:16                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 23:23                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-31  6:16                               ` uriel
2006-03-31  7:56                           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31  9:04                             ` Skip Tavakkolian
2006-03-30 23:32                         ` Adrian Tritschler
2006-03-30 17:57                       ` rog
2006-03-30 18:27                         ` rog
2006-03-30 20:46                           ` Roman Shaposhnick
2006-03-31  1:15                             ` Steve Simon
2006-03-31  1:24                               ` Russ Cox
2006-03-31  2:00                               ` Joel Salomon
2006-03-31  2:26                               ` Martin C. Atkins
2006-03-31  8:46                                 ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-31  8:49                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2006-03-31 21:40                                 ` Taj Khattra
2006-03-31  4:24                             ` Jack Johnson
2006-03-31  4:33                               ` veritosproject
2006-03-30 17:58                       ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 18:03                       ` jmk
2006-03-30 18:13                         ` Brantley Coile
2006-03-30 18:57                       ` Burton Samograd
2006-03-30 19:15                         ` David Leimbach
2006-03-30 19:22                           ` Charles Forsyth
2006-03-30 19:29                             ` Rob Pike
2006-03-30 19:58                               ` David Leimbach

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