[9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[Paul Lalonde]

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http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/timemachine.html

Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is  
behind this?

Paul

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Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[Benn Newman]

Paul Lalonde said:
> Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is
> behind this?
Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
-- 
Benn Newman

Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[John Floren]

On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> Paul Lalonde said:
> > Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is
> > behind this?
> Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
> --
> Benn Newman
>
Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
has this?
Cheers

John
-- 
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" -- Shakespeare, Henry VI

Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[Paul Lalonde]

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There are a couple of things I do expect to see in Apple's version  
that will make life easier for me.
I had to wrap my snapshot taking in a pile of scripts to track the  
hash of the previous snapshots of the various trees I choose to back  
up, or else performance went completely to hell.  As is, a snapshot  
is way expensive - I don't do them as often as I'd like.  Ideally my  
script would be clever enough to cache file modification times and  
only re-snap the changes, but that way lies madness and a loss of the  
fire-and-forget advantage Venti has.  Not to mention how painful it  
is to read my past snapshots through 9P without a decent browser...
I'm pretty sure apple's version won't need these kinds of voodoo from  
the user - the UI is likely to be pretty and functional.

On 9-Aug-06, at 2:20 PM, John Floren wrote:

> On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>> Paul Lalonde said:
>> > Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is
>> > behind this?
>> Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
>> --
>> Benn Newman
>>
> Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
> from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
> has this?
> Cheers
>
> John
> -- 
> "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" -- Shakespeare,  
> Henry VI

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Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[cyspace]

Hi, I read sometime ago about Sun's ZFS Filesystem and it has been  
described as one of the most "advanced file systems on the  
planet.."  (Plan9 notwithstanding :-)). Among its many features are a  
set of flexible, dynamic and complex snap-shotting capabilities that  
sound very much like the technology that could underly Apple  
Leopard's new back-p capabilities. This is all the more interesting  
in that ZFS was and has been vigorously discussed within Apple as a  
contender for the successor to the hybrid HFS+ OS X presently labous  
under. As Steve Jobs announced they were deliberately not going to  
announce several key Leopard technologies this could be a  
possibility.  Just speculating,

Cheers,

Cy

On 9 Aug 2006, at 22:52, Paul Lalonde wrote:

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> There are a couple of things I do expect to see in Apple's version  
> that will make life easier for me.
> I had to wrap my snapshot taking in a pile of scripts to track the  
> hash of the previous snapshots of the various trees I choose to  
> back up, or else performance went completely to hell.  As is, a  
> snapshot is way expensive - I don't do them as often as I'd like.   
> Ideally my script would be clever enough to cache file modification  
> times and only re-snap the changes, but that way lies madness and a  
> loss of the fire-and-forget advantage Venti has.  Not to mention  
> how painful it is to read my past snapshots through 9P without a  
> decent browser...
> I'm pretty sure apple's version won't need these kinds of voodoo  
> from the user - the UI is likely to be pretty and functional.
>
> On 9-Aug-06, at 2:20 PM, John Floren wrote:
>
>> On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>>> Paul Lalonde said:
>>> > Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is
>>> > behind this?
>>> Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
>>> --
>>> Benn Newman
>>>
>> Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
>> from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
>> has this?
>> Cheers
>>
>> John
>> -- 
>> "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" --  
>> Shakespeare, Henry VI
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Re: Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[David Leimbach]

On 8/9/06, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > Paul Lalonde said:
> > > Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is
> > > behind this?
> > Ha! You are talking about Apple. What do you expect? ;)
> > --
> > Benn Newman
> >
> Well, Xerox never had this... hmm. I guess Apple has had to borrow
> from other places too. Guesses on how long it will be before Windows
> has this?
> Cheers
>

The claim is windows already had this in 2003 with "shadow files" or
some such thing...

Dave

Re: [9fans] Looks like I'll be able to drop venti from my mac...

[Corey]

On Wednesday 09 August 2006 15:48, David Leimbach wrote:
> On 8/9/06, John Floren <slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 8/9/06, Benn Newman <newmanbe@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
> > > Paul Lalonde said:
> > > > Essentially the same feature set.  Anyone know what the tech is
> > > > behind this?
> 
> The claim is windows already had this in 2003 with "shadow files" or
> some such thing...
> 


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