From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <32a656c20703062152n6a9bb7b1qfefa9b7827e3a9af@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:52:13 +0900 From: "Vester Thacker" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] interesting potential targets for plan 9 and/or inferno In-Reply-To: <474b349ac6f7a20920261a714df9b8ef@proxima.alt.za> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <45EDE39F.8060006@proweb.co.uk> <474b349ac6f7a20920261a714df9b8ef@proxima.alt.za> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 18d67890-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 3/7/07, lucio@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > Why do we expect our computer usage to require no sacrifices at all? Geez, this thread is shite. We might as well be on an irc channel. #plan9 on irc.oftc.net anyone? I think the issue really comes down to a lack of educational materials and standards. What are we collectively doing about this? Not much imo. Has anyone successfully implemented a fully operational Plan 9 system from instructions found on the wiki. I don't know of anyone. My understanding is that it has been entirely trial and error for all newcomers. Considering that we do not have standardized methods to perform general system administration tasks, nor good HOWTO documentation, it appears to me that Rio is a very small issue. That is, if it really is the issue at all. Newcomers seem to be lost from the beginning. The general trend that I've noticed is that newcomers want a single all-in-one Plan 9 server, and once the person learns to sweep a new rc screen, the person is generally lost from there regardless. Having X running instead of Rio wouldn't make much difference besides some small sense of familiarity, but without the similar utilities the user might still be disappointed imho. Having an admin utility akin to AIX's SMIT might be beneficial perhaps. Or on a smaller scale, having all of us agree on a mkuser script to be included in the distribution would be an simple step forward to ease the adminstration burden. Example: http://www.tip9ug.jp/who/vthacker/mkfuser [1] Anyway, I hope that we can move past Rio being the bane of Plan 9. I'm quite sure Rio alone is not what limits Plan 9's popularity and usage today. Regards, Vester Thacker [1] Written by Andrey Mirtchovski iirc.