From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <34052a07e5069d62d92e53f5546f1ade@9fs.org> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Emacs From: nigel@9fs.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="upas-xnhinjomhtkjuuzzjyafussesp" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:31:33 +0100 Topicbox-Message-UUID: a80a0d86-eaca-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --upas-xnhinjomhtkjuuzzjyafussesp Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I perhaps should have been a bit clearer that understanding the philosphy is vital, and reading the documents is the only way at the moment. This is not optimal I accept. You cannot roll up to Plan 9 and use it on the assumption that it provides a standard Unix environment, with some extra goodies. Plan 9 is package; you have to work in a different way to get the benefit. As I switch between many development environments in my work, I know the good and bad bits of all the options. I wouldn't be working with Plan 9 if I didn't percieve a benefit. If your only requirements are a C compiler and an editor, and you have a project to do, then to justify Plan 9 as the development environment you must use it in the way it is designed to be used. That, at the moment, will require some reading around. I can see that if familiar tools were available you might be able to get your work done in a traditional way, while soaking up some of the 'culture' of Plan 9, without losing too much time, but unfortunately that's not an option. --upas-xnhinjomhtkjuuzzjyafussesp Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from 9fs.org ([192.168.100.103]) by 9fs.org; Mon Jun 10 11:11:12 BST 2002 Received: from mail.cse.psu.edu ([130.203.4.6]) by 9fs.org; Mon Jun 10 11:11:12 BST 2002 Received: from psuvax1.cse.psu.edu (psuvax1.cse.psu.edu [130.203.8.6]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with ESMTP id 3FBA219991; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Received: from doppio.vitanuova.com (unknown [62.254.170.97]) by mail.cse.psu.edu (CSE Mail Server) with SMTP id F2D4219991 for <9fans@cse.psu.edu>; Mon, 10 Jun 2002 06:10:00 -0400 (EDT) From: forsyth@vitanuova.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] Emacs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20020610101000.F2D4219991@mail.cse.psu.edu> Sender: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu Errors-To: 9fans-admin@cse.psu.edu X-BeenThere: 9fans@cse.psu.edu X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu List-Id: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans.cse.psu.edu> List-Archive: Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:10:08 +0100 sam is by no means `like notepad'. i've used both. sam is the older of the two visual editors, and the newer one, acme, includes the more powerful features of sam (notably structural regular expressions and the editing command structure) but is an environment (with a significant nod to Oberon) that is closer in functionality to emacs but with a different approach to integrating new functions such as multi-file editing, mail, news, wiki, and other things. it would be helpful if there were a more tutorial introduction to acme i suppose, but have a look at the paper, not just the manual page. similarly, what can be done with the Edit verb is probably not by any means obvious, so it's not surprising you concluded as you did. --upas-xnhinjomhtkjuuzzjyafussesp--