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From: Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:43:54 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <34D4933C-7C2E-4B31-A448-D630C8A699E1@orthanc.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e80ae7b859408322fc0c97864e7b9184@coraid.com>

On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:

> plus, are you really saying that if you don't want cursor keys, your
> just an old fortran programmer in plan 9 disguise?

Don't tell me you've never written a FORTRAN program that calls into  
curses :-)  Although that's not as bad as having to debug one after  
the fact ...

Anyway ... my take is that "page up" says – quite explicitly – go up  
more than a line, whereas the keyboard arrow keys have had the  
entrenched behaviour of "move one character cell in the stated  
direction" for as long as we've had glass terminals.  (The up-arrow  
vi vs. 3270 line-end column selection debate can take place else 
{where,when} :-)

Where is the research data that backs the claim that navigating via  
the mouse is more efficient than navigating via the keyboard?  I know  
my own experience says this is nonsense.  My physical context switch  
time between the keyboard and mouse is at least 300 ms; my fingers  
move quite a bit faster than that on the keyboard.  I know that when  
I'm in one of the two modes – kbd vs. mouse – I'm very quick in that  
context.  But as soon as I have to switch between them: yikes!  To  
bounce back and forth from typing source code to repositioning a few  
lines via the mouse to typing again is horribly inefficient.  And  
while I've come to grow and love acme over the last few months now  
that I use it regularly at work, that back-and-forth makes me want to  
hurl (only the keyboard and mouse, mostly, but there are days ...)

And chording on three-button mice that are really two-button+scroll- 
wheel is an exercise in carpal tunnel ... :-(

--lyndon



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-11-15  4:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-11-14  1:02 Joey Makar
2006-11-14 10:49 ` Martin Neubauer
2006-11-14 13:04   ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-14 13:26     ` Martin Neubauer
2006-11-14 13:38       ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-14 18:04         ` David Leimbach
2006-11-14 13:25   ` ron minnich
2006-11-14 13:34     ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-14 13:44       ` ron minnich
2006-11-14 14:04         ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-14 14:16         ` Martin Neubauer
2006-11-14 14:42           ` maht
2006-11-14 16:48             ` Joel Salomon
2006-11-14 17:03               ` maht
2006-11-14 16:48             ` Joey Makar
2006-11-14 20:03             ` John Floren
2006-11-14 21:57               ` Russ Cox
2006-11-14 22:06                 ` David Leimbach
2006-11-15  9:40               ` Matt
2007-01-30  9:55               ` Harri Haataja
2007-01-30 11:34                 ` John Stalker
2006-11-14 18:10         ` David Leimbach
2006-11-14 18:21           ` Sape Mullender
2006-11-14 18:35             ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-14 18:52               ` Bruce Ellis
2006-11-14 19:14                 ` Sape Mullender
2006-11-14 19:18                   ` Paul Lalonde
2006-11-14 19:34                 ` rog
2006-11-14 19:40                   ` csant
2006-11-14 19:52                     ` Bruce Ellis
2006-11-14 18:22           ` Bruce Ellis
2006-11-15  4:43       ` Lyndon Nerenberg [this message]
2006-11-15  4:57         ` John Floren
2006-11-15  5:13           ` Russ Cox
2006-11-15  5:32             ` John Floren
2006-11-15  9:27               ` Gorka guardiola
2006-11-15 14:09             ` David Arnold
2006-11-16  2:49             ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-16 13:46               ` plan9
2006-11-16 13:55                 ` Abhey Shah
2006-11-17 16:44                 ` erik quanstrom
2006-11-20  5:48             ` Noah Evans
2007-01-30 11:28             ` Harri Haataja
2007-01-30 11:35               ` Russ Cox
2007-01-30 11:45                 ` Gabriel Diaz
2006-11-15  5:28         ` Lyndon Nerenberg
2006-11-15 16:26           ` David Leimbach
2006-11-14 14:08     ` Martin Neubauer
2006-11-14 14:20     ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-11-14 15:07       ` Wes Kussmaul
2006-11-14 18:03     ` David Leimbach

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