From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <34D4933C-7C2E-4B31-A448-D630C8A699E1@orthanc.ca> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Lyndon Nerenberg Subject: Re: [9fans] Samterm up down key patch Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 20:43:54 -0800 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: e0476584-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:34 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > plus, are you really saying that if you don't want cursor keys, your > just an old fortran programmer in plan 9 disguise? Don't tell me you've never written a FORTRAN program that calls into =20 curses :-) Although that's not as bad as having to debug one after =20 the fact ... Anyway ... my take is that "page up" says =96 quite explicitly =96 go up = =20 more than a line, whereas the keyboard arrow keys have had the =20 entrenched behaviour of "move one character cell in the stated =20 direction" for as long as we've had glass terminals. (The up-arrow =20 vi vs. 3270 line-end column selection debate can take place else=20 {where,when} :-) Where is the research data that backs the claim that navigating via =20 the mouse is more efficient than navigating via the keyboard? I know =20= my own experience says this is nonsense. My physical context switch =20 time between the keyboard and mouse is at least 300 ms; my fingers =20 move quite a bit faster than that on the keyboard. I know that when =20 I'm in one of the two modes =96 kbd vs. mouse =96 I'm very quick in that = =20 context. But as soon as I have to switch between them: yikes! To =20 bounce back and forth from typing source code to repositioning a few =20 lines via the mouse to typing again is horribly inefficient. And =20 while I've come to grow and love acme over the last few months now =20 that I use it regularly at work, that back-and-forth makes me want to =20= hurl (only the keyboard and mouse, mostly, but there are days ...) And chording on three-button mice that are really two-button+scroll-=20 wheel is an exercise in carpal tunnel ... :-( --lyndon