From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_O0fCHFAcJBnazHCl91s2Pw)" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> From: Christoph Paschke Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:25:54 +0000 Message-id: <35d49736-f6d5-48fc-b767-969185bda226@me.com> In-reply-to: <20120319121055.GA3610@polynum.com> Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012 Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6aeb76f8-ead7-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --Boundary_(ID_O0fCHFAcJBnazHCl91s2Pw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0AAm 19. M=C3=A4rz 2012 um 13:10 schrieb tlaronde@polynum.com:=0A=0AOn= Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:47:46PM +0100, Paschke Christoph wrote:=0A> =0A> = I also got some idea to get engaged with Minix especially according to the= idea of the Microkernel and the reincarnation drivers etc. But one part I= got shocked was the amount of RAM this system needs for nearly nothing an= d also the missing of nearly each hardware support. So, at Plan 9 you see = the old profs around the Bell Labs at work if you compare that both system= s.=0A=0AMany years ago, I was attracted to "microkernel" by the very word,= =0Athinking it was a "small" resources thing, that one could extend when=0A= needed and only with what was needed. And the "big" surprise with=0A"micro= " kernel is that they are huge; don't perform well unless a huge=0Aamount = is written in... assembly etc.=0A=C2=A0=0AYes, this I also got the idea in= comparison and wonder about!=C2=A0=0A=0A=0A=0AAnd I don't know if my engl= ish is at fault, but the paper about Plan9 =0Aseems to me to make fun of t= his academic frenzy about these huge =0Aresources hog called microkernels,= and that Plan9 can not attract such =0Aattention and so many papers since= it is not in the trend, and does the=0Ajob while being small...=0A=0AIf t= he U.E. has selected Minix, then it's sure: it's a dead end... They=0Ahave= this gift (helped with lobbying) to always choose the wrong=0Adirection.=0A= =C2=A0=0ACould be or not, who knows?=C2=A0=0AMost cases EU does central sh= it, already called EUdSSR here in Germany what is other word for EU-Sowjet= Union.=0AIt is not chosen by the people, it has it's apparatchics at the h= ead that regulates everything more and more ...=0A=0ABut as I understood M= inix should be in first be a new realization of an industrial POSIX operat= ing system in Europe and an educational system.=C2=A0I see Minix with the = old webpage still before the embedded exhibition in Nuernberg and before t= his EU-Project started. So, this is going fast forward already. And they a= lready looking for industrial partners. So, I as a potential client in the= industrial area can work together with them quite easy. I not know if thi= s will be similar with Plan 9 next years?= --Boundary_(ID_O0fCHFAcJBnazHCl91s2Pw) Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="Boundary_(ID_GP1AfvhxY2i114K67zYLwg)"; type="text/html" --Boundary_(ID_GP1AfvhxY2i114K67zYLwg) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

Am 19. M=C3=A4rz 2012 um 13:10 schrieb tlaronde@polynum.com:<= br>

On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:47:46PM +0100, Paschke Chris= toph wrote:
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=0A> I also got some idea to get engaged wit= h Minix especially according to the idea of the Microkernel and the reinca= rnation drivers etc. But one part I got shocked was the amount of RAM this= system needs for nearly nothing and also the missing of nearly each hardw= are support. So, at Plan 9 you see the old profs around the Bell Labs at w= ork if you compare that both systems.
=0A
=0AMany years ago, I was a= ttracted to "microkernel" by the very word,
=0Athinking it was a "small= " resources thing, that one could extend when
=0Aneeded and only with w= hat was needed. And the "big" surprise with
=0A"micro" kernel is that t= hey are huge; don't perform well unless a huge
=0Aamount is written in.= . assembly etc.

Yes, this I also got the idea in comparison and wonder about! = ;

=0A
=0AAnd I don't know if my english is a= t fault, but the paper about Plan9
=0Aseems to me to make fun of this = academic frenzy about these huge
=0Aresources hog called microkernels,= and that Plan9 can not attract such
=0Aattention and so many papers s= ince it is not in the trend, and does the
=0Ajob while being small...=0A
=0AIf the U.E. has selected Minix, then it's sure: it's a dead en= d... They
=0Ahave this gift (helped with lobbying) to always choose the= wrong
=0Adirection.

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Could be or not, who knows?

Most cases = EU does central shit, already called EUdSSR here in Germany what is other = word for EU-SowjetUnion.

=0A

It is not chosen by the people, = it has it's apparatchics at the head that regulates everything more and mo= re ...

=0A

But as I= understood Minix should be in first be a new realization of an industrial= POSIX operating system in Europe and an educational system. I see Mi= nix with the old webpage still before the embedded exhibition in Nuernberg= and before this EU-Project started. So, this is going fast forward alread= y. And they already looking for industrial partners. So, I as a potential = client in the industrial area can work together with them quite easy. I no= t know if this will be similar with Plan 9 next years?

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