[9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[Richard Uhtenwoldt]

Using Firefox has its irritations, but it is _more_ irritating to
use Firefox via VNC from a Plan 9 terminal than to use it on the
Linux box on which the Firefox is running.

Likewise, using a Plan 9 cpu server via Drawterm running on Linux
is _more_ irritating than using the same cpu server as a Plan 9
terminal.

My question is, which delta of irritation is greater: that of
having to use Plan 9 remotely from Drawterm _or_ that of having
to use one of the big, popular web browsers remotely (via VNC or
whatever the cool people are using to connect to Linux or
Windows) from a Plan 9 terminal?

Assume the Linux and the Plan 9 are connected via 100Mbs
ethernet.

The answer to the question will determine which
machine I hook my keyboard and mouse up to.

Re: [9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[quanstro]

i think the answer is neither.

i use a kvm switch.

- erik

On Sun Jul  9 13:17:01 CDT 2006, ru@river.org wrote:
> Using Firefox has its irritations, but it is _more_ irritating to
> use Firefox via VNC from a Plan 9 terminal than to use it on the
> Linux box on which the Firefox is running.
>
> Likewise, using a Plan 9 cpu server via Drawterm running on Linux
> is _more_ irritating than using the same cpu server as a Plan 9
> terminal.
>
> My question is, which delta of irritation is greater: that of
> having to use Plan 9 remotely from Drawterm _or_ that of having
> to use one of the big, popular web browsers remotely (via VNC or
> whatever the cool people are using to connect to Linux or
> Windows) from a Plan 9 terminal?
>
> Assume the Linux and the Plan 9 are connected via 100Mbs
> ethernet.
>
> The answer to the question will determine which
> machine I hook my keyboard and mouse up to.

Re: [9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[LiteStar numnums]

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KVMs are very useful... TrendNet has 4 port PS/2 KVMs for sub-$50USD...
In fact, NewEgg has the four port listed for $35USD + S&H. Easy enough...
-S

On 7/9/06, quanstro@quanstro.net <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>
> i think the answer is neither.
>
> i use a kvm switch.
>
> - erik
>
> On Sun Jul  9 13:17:01 CDT 2006, ru@river.org wrote:
> > Using Firefox has its irritations, but it is _more_ irritating to
> > use Firefox via VNC from a Plan 9 terminal than to use it on the
> > Linux box on which the Firefox is running.
> >
> > Likewise, using a Plan 9 cpu server via Drawterm running on Linux
> > is _more_ irritating than using the same cpu server as a Plan 9
> > terminal.
> >
> > My question is, which delta of irritation is greater: that of
> > having to use Plan 9 remotely from Drawterm _or_ that of having
> > to use one of the big, popular web browsers remotely (via VNC or
> > whatever the cool people are using to connect to Linux or
> > Windows) from a Plan 9 terminal?
> >
> > Assume the Linux and the Plan 9 are connected via 100Mbs
> > ethernet.
> >
> > The answer to the question will determine which
> > machine I hook my keyboard and mouse up to.
>



--
Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny,
To that goal long ago to me assigned.
I'll follow and not falter; if my will
Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on.
-- Epictetus

He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- Balzac

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Re: [9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[Sascha Retzki]

> i use a kvm switch.

KVM-switches are great, however I have spotted two different 'versions' out there - the onces doing PS2/emulation (or rather, caring about PS/@ in any way) and the onces that don't. The problem is the mouse - if you switch from e.g. Plan9 to Windows on a 'cheap' KVM-switch, you may notice that the mouse does not work for a second or two - and when you switch back, you will notice that the mouse does not work completely anymore. I have both versions of such switches here, the onces which 'don't work with Plan9' are not connected to the power-grid, maybe that is an indication (no powergrid, no PS/2-emulation).

I must admit I am not familar with the PS/2 specifications, so I have no idea about the why.

Re: [9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[LiteStar numnums]

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I'm not so sure about that, since the KVMs I have here are 'powerless', yet
work fine with
everything I've thrown at them (including FreeVMS & colorFORTH). Plan9 is
equally
congenial with the switches I have here, but obviously your mileage will
vary.

On 7/10/06, Sascha Retzki <sretzki@gmx.de> wrote:
>
> > i use a kvm switch.
>
> KVM-switches are great, however I have spotted two different 'versions'
> out there - the onces doing PS2/emulation (or rather, caring about PS/@ in
> any way) and the onces that don't. The problem is the mouse - if you switch
> from e.g. Plan9 to Windows on a 'cheap' KVM-switch, you may notice that
> the mouse does not work for a second or two - and when you switch back, you
> will notice that the mouse does not work completely anymore. I have both
> versions of such switches here, the onces which 'don't work with Plan9' are
> not connected to the power-grid, maybe that is an indication (no powergrid,
> no PS/2-emulation).
>
> I must admit I am not familar with the PS/2 specifications, so I have no
> idea about the why.
>
>


--
Lead thou me on, O Zeus, and Destiny,
To that goal long ago to me assigned.
I'll follow and not falter; if my will
Prove weak and craven, still I'll follow on.
-- Epictetus

He who enters his wife's dressing room is a philosopher or a fool. -- Balzac

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Re: [9fans] Planning a two-machine heterogeneous LAN

[Ronald G Minnich]

LiteStar numnums wrote:
> I'm not so sure about that, since the KVMs I have here are 'powerless',
> yet work fine with
> everything I've thrown at them (including FreeVMS & colorFORTH). Plan9
> is equally
> congenial with the switches I have here, but obviously your mileage will
> vary.

dumb kvm's are the best. The smarter they get, the higher the chance
they'll screw up. that's been our experience here anyway.

ron