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Date: Fri,  7 Jul 2000 15:04:50 +0000
From: Alt <alter@cybercafe.com.ua>
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Subject: [9fans] Re: Plan-9 is too archaic. ... yet.
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Wladimir Mutel wrote:

> Alt <alter@cybercafe.com.ua> wrote:
>
> > However, Plan-9 have UNIX-like user interface.
>
>         Where ? In command-line level - perhaps.

Yes.
Why I have to write echo "reboot" > reboot ?
I prefer to write
this.reboot = reboot


>
>         Hope, you do not mean 'acme' or 'plumbing'
>         ideas are Unix-like ? :>

It is very small step.

>
>
> > As for end of 80'th Plan-9 was really revolutionary,
> > as vor today not so.
>
>         What OS is enough revolutionary for you today ? :>
>

No one.

>
> > I hope this time I wrote clear.
>
>         Yes. You see benefits of new OS architecture, but the things you
>         want to build on its basis seem to be dictated by your needs
>         arisen in traditional OS.
>

Something like this. :)

>
> >> Not more obsolete than Unix is.
>
> > Yes.
> > I like to say that better not is the best.
>
>         Love what you have, if you do not have what you better love.
>

Almost the Bible.

>
> >> > What I would like to see ?
> >> > 1. Absolutely new User Interface.
> >> > 2. Multidimensional information resources (files) system.
> >> > 3. New World-Wide (Global) information storage, and its search
> >> > technology.
> >> > 4. Technologies of dynamic recompilation of code.
> >>
> >>         Brrrr... Why do you suspect Plan9 to provide you with this ?
>
> > Perhaps you don't understood what was caused me to write first article,
> > I think I have explain it above.
>
>         But why do you dream to see features 1..4 under the very Plan9,
>                 not under another OS ?
>

UNIX is not an OS yet, it's un ideology.
and I view at the Plan9 as a pretender to be a ground of the new ideology.

>
> >>         You should create all this by yourself under any OS.
>
> > No, UNIX ideology restrict me.
>
>         In what ways ? It seems to me that is not Unix ideology's fault,
>         but mostly your one. It seems you do not have exact notion of what
>         you want. Did you ever try to develop 1..4 by yourself ? Or at
>         least to design them technically, to some implementation-permitting
>         level ?
>

Did.
And I working at the new OS yet.

>
> > Where are you from ?
>
>         Dnepr ! :>
>

Oh, the Dnepropetrovsk.
I see.
It's where from Lasarenko and Kutchma came. :(

>
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