From: Dennis Ritchie <dmr@bell-labs.com>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] Client/server program sample code request..
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:17:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <39CC4237.DD799C66@bell-labs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20000923023844.76B11199ED@mail>
presotto@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote (I snip a lot):
>
> Dial is actually from research Unix. Wnj and Sam Leffler were doing
> the socket stuff while I was at UCB. It was not bad considering
> they were starting from scratch and other interfaces were just
> as awkward...
> When I came to the labs, research Unix was using the Datakit
> network instead of ethers and IP (we bell heads spent a long
> time denegrating ethernets and IP before were beaten into
> submission but that's another story). Datakit
> used relative hierarcical string addresses (things like
> "mh/astro/r70"). They already were using a dkdial() call
> that looks pretty much like the dial() in Plan 9. The interface
> for datakit was file system based, also very much like the Plan 9
> one is now. When rtm ported the 4.1c BSD IP code into research Unix,
> we adopted the datakit model rather than sockets because it was,
> we thought, easier to deal with.
>
> The Plan 9 interface is just a continuation along the same lines.
In case you don't recognize the "rtm"-- for historical completeness,
it is Robert Tappan Morris.
The roots of the approach are clearly exposed in
http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/ipcpaper.html
by Dave and me. He did more of the work, as usual.
The underlying ideas go back a long way.
>
> Thank Lee McMahon, Sandy Fraser, and Greg Chesson for the nicer
> model that came with the Datakit. We just recognized the elegance
> of their work and expanded it.
Indeed. From the application level, the main difference between the
original UCB socket approach and the one that grew in the Plan 9 scheme
is that network names should be textual and visibly hierarchical,
and translated into raw network addresses by a mechanism that isn't written
or compiled into every program that uses them. Sort of like DNS. Also,
that I/O over a network connection should be made to look like other I/O
to the extent possible. Dealing with two network technologies simultaneously
(Datakit vs. Ethernet->Internet + TCP/IP) helped push the generalization.
Dennis
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2000-09-23 8:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-09-23 2:38 presotto
2000-09-23 2:51 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-09-23 8:17 ` Dennis Ritchie [this message]
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2000-09-23 4:27 presotto
2000-09-22 18:21 Russ Cox
2000-09-28 21:17 ` Dan Cross
2000-09-28 21:31 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-09-22 7:48 Stephen Parker
2000-09-21 23:21 forsyth
2000-09-21 23:34 ` Boyd Roberts
2000-09-22 5:40 ` Steve Kilbane
[not found] ` <steve@whitecrow.demon.co.uk>
2000-09-22 17:18 ` Tom Duff
2000-09-21 16:27 rog
2000-09-21 15:43 Ish Rattan
2000-09-21 15:56 ` andrey mirtchovski
2000-09-21 16:02 ` andrey mirtchovski
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