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From: "Douglas A. Gwyn" <DAGwyn@null.net>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] General question about hosted interfaces
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 14:53:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B4F052A.56A2AAAA@null.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010712214742.0560A199C0@mail.cse.psu.edu>

bwc@borf.com wrote:
> I've found both the 3com site and the Intel developer's site to be useful.
> It still takes digging, but I've been lucky.  The smaller companies are
> a problem.  Many of their products are `clones' and they don't even bother
> to write a manual.

As someone who is trying to restore old computer systems, or even
simply getting a 9-track 1/2" magtape drive working on a modern PC,
I keep finding that manufacturers of > ~10 yr. old equipment claim
to have no corporate knowledge of their old products, not even
documentation on file.  One gets the feeling that a lot of stuff
is developed by small ad hoc teams that are later disbanded
without having bothered to adequately document their work.

> Also, the PCMCIA, PCI, USB, and other consortia provide the baseline
> description of much of this stuff.  The vendors often just say what
> parts they really do.  ANSI for the ATA spec, for example.  Since
> there are many vendors playing in the same space this makes sense.
> Back when only DEC defined what a VAX was, each peripheral's documentation
> would fully describe that peripheral.  Now they say `vesa video controller'
> and just describe what makes them different.

Partly, it's a difference in the user population.  In the Good Old Days,
a noticeable fraction of the controllers went to sites that needed the
detailed documentation.  E.g. in order to write a UNIX device driver,
which was originally not such an intimidating task as it is now.
Today, only a handful of people (at most) develop low-level device
support, while maybe a million units are sold to end users who are
disinclined to buy anything that is accompanied by technical info.


  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-13 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-12 21:48 bwc
2001-07-13 14:53 ` Douglas A. Gwyn [this message]
2001-07-13 15:32   ` Boyd Roberts
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-07-12 21:58 jmk
2001-07-12 19:51 geoff
2001-07-12 19:45 geoff
2001-07-12 19:31 jmk
2001-07-12 21:09 ` Chris Locke
2001-07-12 21:24   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-12 22:01   ` Jim Choate
2001-07-12 18:38 nemo
2001-07-12 15:26 jmk
2001-07-12 18:14 ` Chris Locke
2001-07-13 14:53 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-13 15:28   ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-13 16:46     ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-14  0:40       ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 10:54 forsyth
2001-07-11 10:58 ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-11 13:26 ` Boyd Roberts
2001-07-11 10:32 geoff
2001-07-12  8:31 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-11  0:37 presotto
2001-07-10 18:22 rob pike
2001-07-10 19:08 ` Mike Haertel
2001-07-10 23:27   ` William K. Josephson
2001-07-11  8:34 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-10 15:17 Douglas A. Gwyn
2001-07-10 18:09 ` Lucio De Re
2001-07-11  8:34   ` Douglas A. Gwyn

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