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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2003-12-13 23:09 Rob Pike
  2003-12-14  0:07 ` boyd, rounin
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From: Rob Pike @ 2003-12-13 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

'Avoirdupois' is correct, even in French. There is no 'd'.

-rob



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-13 23:09 [9fans] /lib/units Rob Pike
@ 2003-12-14  0:07 ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:12   ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:13   ` Geoff Collyer
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  0:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> 'Avoirdupois' is correct, even in French. There is no 'd'.

peas [pois] are special.  they are uncountable objects, except
in small quantities (rice is similar).  one uses 'des' to say:

   some <uncountable object>

pois:

    http://www.inra.fr/Internet/Produits/HYPPZ/CULTURES/3c---109.htm

poid == weight [plural]:

    http://www.fao.org/docrep/003/X6881F/X6881F14.htm

right, the unit's 'inches' bug can stay.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:07 ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-14  0:12   ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:13   ` Geoff Collyer
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  0:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> poids == weight

being url targeted, i should have typed the above.





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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:07 ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:12   ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-14  0:13   ` Geoff Collyer
  2003-12-14  0:32     ` boyd, rounin
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From: Geoff Collyer @ 2003-12-14  0:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Check your OED; `avoirdupois' is established as the English spelling,
even if it's incorrect French.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:13   ` Geoff Collyer
@ 2003-12-14  0:32     ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:42       ` David Presotto
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  0:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Check your OED; `avoirdupois' is established as the English spelling,
> even if it's incorrect French.

i don't have one.  iirc Z is used instead of S and 'colour' is spelt 'color'
due to an early US dictionary SNARFU.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:32     ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-14  0:42       ` David Presotto
  2003-12-14  0:51         ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:54       ` Geoff Collyer
  2003-12-14  2:53       ` Rob Pike
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From: David Presotto @ 2003-12-14  0:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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1	
avoirdupois (ˌævəRdəˈpɔɪz). Forms: 4 auoirdepeise, auer de peis,
4–7 avoir de pois, 5 haberdepase, 6 auerdepaise, auer de poiz,
haberdepoys, -poise, 6–7 hauer de pois, haberde-pois, 7 averdepois,
aver-, haberdupois(e, haverdupois(e, 8 hauer-du-pois, 7– avoirdupois.
[A recent corrupt spelling of avoir-de-pois, in early OF. and
AF. aveir de peis `goods of weight,' f. OF. avoir, aveir, property,
goods, aver, de of, pois, peis (= Pr. pes, pens, It. peso):—L.
*pēsum, pensum, weight.  The first word had the variant forms
of the simple aver, and the pronunciation remains ˈaver; the
Norman peis was from 1300 varied with, and c 1500 superseded
by, the Parisian pois.  The best modern spelling is the 17th
c. averdepois; in any case de ought to be restored for du, introduced
by some ignorant `improver' c 1640–1650.] 

  †1.  Merchandise sold by weight.  Obs.  (c 1600.)
  c1300 E.E. Poems (1862) 154 Ʒur gret packes of draperie, auoir-depeise,
and ʒur wol sackes. 1388 Wyclif Ezek. xxvii. 16 Thei settiden
forth in thi marcat gemme, and purpur..and cochod, ether auer
de peis [1382 chodchod, that is, precious marchaundise]. [1392
Act 16 Rich. II, i. §2 Toutz marchants..qe achater ou vendre
voillont bledz, vinz, avoir de pois, char, pesson, & toutz autres
vivres & vitails.] 1502 transl. in Arnold Chron. (1811) 34 Cornes,
wynes, auerdepaise, flesh, fishe, or odur vitayles. 1598 Hakluyt
Voy. I. 137 To exercise other marchandises, as of Hauer de pois,
and other fine wares, as sarcenets, lawnes, cindalles, and silke.
1618 Pulton tr. Act 27 Edw. III, Staple x, That Wools, and all
manner auoir de pois, be weighed by the ballance. 1691 Blount
Law Dict., Avoir du Pois..signifies such Merchandises as are
weighed by this weight, and not by Troy-weight.

  2.  (More fully avoirdupois weight) The standard system of
weights used, in Great Britain, for all goods except the precious
metals, precious stones, and medicines.The a. pound contains
7000 grains.  The a. weight of the United States agrees with
that of Great Britain in the pound, ounce, and dram; but the
hundredweight contains in U.S. 100, in G.B. 112 lbs., and the
ton of 20 cwt. differs accordingly. 
  1485 Inv. in Ripon Ch. Acts 367, j par balance cum ponderibus
de haberdepase. 1532–3 Act 24 Hen. VIII, iii, Lawfull weyght,
called haberdepois. 1543 Recorde Gr. Artes (1575) 202 An other
waight called Haberdepoise, in whiche 16 ounces make a pounde.
1594 Plat Jewell-ho. iii. 7 Vveightes that may agree vvith the
auer de poiz. 1619 Dalton Countr. Just. lxv. (1630) 143 In this
Averdepois weight..112 pounds make a hundred weight. 1631 R.
Brathwait Whimzies 16 A trite discourse of weights and measures:
most ponderously dividing them into troy and averdepois. 1647
Ward Simp. Cobler (1843) 39 Weigh Rules by Troyweight, and not
by the old Haber-du-pois. 1650 B. Discollim. 16 Weighed..at the..publick
beam..not at..every Shop-keeper's Aver-du-pois. 1656 W. Dugard
Gate Lat. Unl. §536 Avoir-du-pois, wherewith wares are bought
and sold. 1667 E. King in Phil. Trans. II. 450, 49 ounces (Haver
de pois weight) of blood. 1669 Boyle Cont. New Exp. i. xxxiii.
(1682) 112 Haberdupoise weight. 1701 J. Jones in A. J. Ellis
E.E. Pron. i. iii. 220, h may be sounded in halleluiah, habiliment,
hauer-du-pois, etc. 1755 Phil. Trans. XLIX. 184 So great a weight
as twenty-six pounds avoirdupoize. 1806 Vince Hydrost. ii. 21
A cubic foot of rain water weighs 1000 ounces avoirdupoise. 1831
Carlyle Sart. Res. ii. viii, The weakest can stand under thirty
stone avoirdupois.

  3.  Weight; degree of heaviness.  (Common in U.S.)
  1597 Shakes. 2 Hen. IV, ii. iv. 276 The weight of an hayre
will turne the Scales betweene their Haber-de-pois. 1680 Hon.
Cavalier 26 To make it more than Aver-du-pois. 1883 Atl. Monthly
May (Football), Avoirdupois and strength are at a premium for
rushing, blocking, and tackling.

2	
avoirdupois (as prec.), v. rareⁱ. [f. the n.] 

  To have the avoirdupois weight of, to weigh. 
  1854 Badham Halieut. 231 A huge African fish..has been known
to avoirdupoise one hundred and forty pounds.

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From: "boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] /lib/units
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 01:32:34 +0100
Message-ID: <00cb01c3c1d9$c57f63b0$89844051@SOMA>

> Check your OED; `avoirdupois' is established as the English spelling,
> even if it's incorrect French.

i don't have one.  iirc Z is used instead of S and 'colour' is spelt 'color'
due to an early US dictionary SNARFU.

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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:42       ` David Presotto
@ 2003-12-14  0:51         ` boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  0:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

thanks dave, but '/ Weight' would have sufficed;  less obscure, fewer chars.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:32     ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:42       ` David Presotto
@ 2003-12-14  0:54       ` Geoff Collyer
  2003-12-14  1:02         ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  2:53       ` Rob Pike
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From: Geoff Collyer @ 2003-12-14  0:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

You could also visit this page:

	http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/avoirdupois

and discover `ORIGIN from Old French aveir de peis `goods of weight'.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:54       ` Geoff Collyer
@ 2003-12-14  1:02         ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  5:50           ` ron minnich
  2003-12-14 21:56           ` Dan Cross
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  1:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> and discover `ORIGIN from Old French aveir de peis `goods of weight'.

yes, the french weights and measures system, before the definition of
the metre, changed depending on the town/region. dunkirk (iirc) to
barcelona -- 7 years of work (spanning the revolution) -- 'defined'
the metre.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  0:32     ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  0:42       ` David Presotto
  2003-12-14  0:54       ` Geoff Collyer
@ 2003-12-14  2:53       ` Rob Pike
  2003-12-14  5:10         ` boyd, rounin
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From: Rob Pike @ 2003-12-14  2:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans


> i don't have one.  iirc Z is used instead of S and 'colour' is spelt
> 'color'
> due to an early US dictionary SNARFU.

you don't recall correctly, at least in the case of Z.  americans spell
with a z, as in boydize, because the english used to do that. the
english changed in a fit of self-determined classiness early in the
20th century.  check fowler.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  2:53       ` Rob Pike
@ 2003-12-14  5:10         ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  7:31           ` Rob Pike
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  5:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> check fowler.

snarf it up and post it.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  1:02         ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-14  5:50           ` ron minnich
  2003-12-14 21:56           ` Dan Cross
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From: ron minnich @ 2003-12-14  5:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, boyd, rounin wrote:

> > and discover `ORIGIN from Old French aveir de peis `goods of weight'.

dang it. All these years I took it to mean "have the pounds" :-)

ron



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  5:10         ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-14  7:31           ` Rob Pike
  2003-12-14 13:58             ` boyd, rounin
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From: Rob Pike @ 2003-12-14  7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> snarf it up and post it.

since you ask so nicely:

http://www.herpolhode.com/rob/fowlersm.jpg



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  7:31           ` Rob Pike
@ 2003-12-14 13:58             ` boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> http://www.herpolhode.com/rob/fowlersm.jpg

interesting




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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  1:02         ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-14  5:50           ` ron minnich
@ 2003-12-14 21:56           ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-14 22:00             ` Dan Cross
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From: Dan Cross @ 2003-12-14 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

"boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net> writes:
> dunkirk (iirc) to barcelona -- 7 years of work (spanning the
> revolution) -- 'defined' the metre.

As in, the Meter (sorry, I'm American) was defined as some fraction of
the distance from Dunkirk to Barcelona?  I thought it was originally
something like 1/10000 the distance from the equator to the north pole
or something that attempted to be equally independent of political
entanglements (not knowing, at the time, that that distance changes
ever-so-slightly over time).  I suppose it's much better than the Cubit
(hey, the king died again!  Time for a new unit of measurement!)

	- Dan C.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 21:56           ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-12-14 22:00             ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-14 22:38               ` bs
  2003-12-14 22:33             ` a
  2003-12-15  0:15             ` boyd, rounin
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From: Dan Cross @ 2003-12-14 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu> writes:
> something like 1/10000 the distance from the equator to the north pole
                 ^^^^^^^

Hmm; on second thought, one had better add a few zeros in there somewhere.

	- Dan C.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 21:56           ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-14 22:00             ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-12-14 22:33             ` a
  2003-12-15  0:20               ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-15  0:15             ` boyd, rounin
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From: a @ 2003-12-14 22:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

the metre/meter was 1/1000000th of the line running from the north
pole through paris down to the equater.

that was the plan, anyway.
ア


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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 22:00             ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-12-14 22:38               ` bs
  2003-12-14 22:47                 ` a
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From: bs @ 2003-12-14 22:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Dan Cross wrote:
> Dan Cross <cross@math.psu.edu> writes:
>
>>something like 1/10000 the distance from the equator to the north pole
>
>                  ^^^^^^^
>
> Hmm; on second thought, one had better add a few zeros in there somewhere.
>
> 	- Dan C.
>
It is supposed to be 1 ten millionth of the distance from the equator
to the north pole. They got that wrong too...



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 22:38               ` bs
@ 2003-12-14 22:47                 ` a
  2003-12-15  0:23                   ` boyd, rounin
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From: a @ 2003-12-14 22:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

// It is supposed to be 1 ten millionth...

well, it *was* supposed to be that, and yes they messed it up (and
then declared the error didn't matter!). currently (as of 1983),
it's defined as "the length of the path traveled by light in vacuum
durring a time interval of 1/299792458 of a second."

which has the nice reciprocal effect of defining the speed of light
rather nicely.
ア


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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 21:56           ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-14 22:00             ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-14 22:33             ` a
@ 2003-12-15  0:15             ` boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-15  0:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> As in, the Meter (sorry, I'm American) was defined as some fraction of
> the distance from Dunkirk to Barcelona?

yes, a fraction.  gravitational anomalies, imprisonment, revolution  --  the
whole 9 yards.  great book.

i have it in a box somewhere (with the ambiguity).



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 22:33             ` a
@ 2003-12-15  0:20               ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-15  2:00                 ` Donald Brownlee
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-15  0:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> the metre/meter was 1/1000000th of the line running from the north
> pole through paris down to the equater.

it was the plan, but there's water, ice and other problems;  the earth
not being a sphere.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14 22:47                 ` a
@ 2003-12-15  0:23                   ` boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-15  0:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

the brits did a much more extensive lat/lon survey in india.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-15  0:20               ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-15  2:00                 ` Donald Brownlee
  2003-12-15  2:05                   ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-15  5:11                   ` mirtchov
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From: Donald Brownlee @ 2003-12-15  2:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Earth is an oblate sphere, no?

boyd, rounin wrote:

>>the metre/meter was 1/1000000th of the line running from the north
>>pole through paris down to the equater.
>
>
> it was the plan, but there's water, ice and other problems;  the earth
> not being a sphere.
>
>



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-15  2:00                 ` Donald Brownlee
@ 2003-12-15  2:05                   ` boyd, rounin
  2003-12-15  3:11                     ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-15  5:11                   ` mirtchov
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-15  2:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Earth is an oblate sphere, no?

bit like a mandarin; flat-ish at the poles.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-15  2:05                   ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-15  3:11                     ` Dan Cross
  2003-12-15 11:41                       ` a
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From: Dan Cross @ 2003-12-15  3:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

"boyd, rounin" <boyd@insultant.net> writes:
>
> > Earth is an oblate sphere, no?
>
> bit like a mandarin; flat-ish at the poles.

Nonsense.  It's a disc.  And if anyone tells you otherwise, excommunicate
them at once!

	- Dan C.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-15  2:00                 ` Donald Brownlee
  2003-12-15  2:05                   ` boyd, rounin
@ 2003-12-15  5:11                   ` mirtchov
  2003-12-15  6:56                     ` boyd, rounin
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From: mirtchov @ 2003-12-15  5:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Earth is an oblate sphere, no?
>

Earth is a "geode".  Geode is conveniently defined as an "earthlike"
object.  Same as with the speed of light and the length of a meter,
discussed earlier :)

Undergrad geography courses like this joke a lot :)

andrey



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-15  5:11                   ` mirtchov
@ 2003-12-15  6:56                     ` boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-15  6:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Earth is a "geode".

a geoid, often modelled as an ellipsoid.



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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-15  3:11                     ` Dan Cross
@ 2003-12-15 11:41                       ` a
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From: a @ 2003-12-15 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

// Nonsense.  It's a disc.

nope, sorry. it's a flat rectangle (which may also be a square).
we can't very well travel to the four corners of a disk, can we?


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* RE: [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2003-12-15  9:08 Tiit Lankots
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From: Tiit Lankots @ 2003-12-15  9:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> Nonsense.  It's a disc.  And if anyone tells you otherwise, 
> excommunicate
> them at once!

Hmm, the routine procedure used to be to incinerate them. 
Seems I've once again been passed by the progress.

Actually, the world is just one big juicy lemon.

Tiit


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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2003-12-14  5:26 boyd
@ 2003-12-14 15:28 ` Russ Cox
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From: Russ Cox @ 2003-12-14 15:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> 128a129
> > inches			inch

done.



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* [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2003-12-14  5:26 boyd
  2003-12-14 15:28 ` Russ Cox
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From: boyd @ 2003-12-14  5:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

plurals being hard, i suggest aliases:

brahma% diff /lib/units $home/lib
92c92
< /Avoirdupois
---
> /Avoir du poids
128a129
> inches			inch


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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2003-12-14  0:09 boyd, rounin
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From: boyd, rounin @ 2003-12-14  0:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> right, the unit's 'inches' bug can stay.

argh, units' bug ...



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* [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2003-12-13 22:05 boyd
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From: boyd @ 2003-12-13 22:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

92c92
< /Avoirdupois
---
> /Avoir du poids

the first is not gramatically correct and speaks of [having one] 'pea'.

the second is right.

i typed 'inches' at units and it didn't grok it right.

i am tempted, but unsure of, 'fixing' this pluralisation bug.


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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2001-10-05  0:47 Boyd Roberts
@ 2001-10-08  9:41 ` John Kodis
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: John Kodis @ 2001-10-08  9:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

Previously, Boyd Roberts wrote:
> this may be a useful addition as the rate between a french
> franc and the euro is constant:
> ff    euro | 6.55957

Currency is interesting, but the units tables I've encountered all
share the same fatal flaw: there is no entry for that fundamental unit
of liquid measure, the keg.  The most common definition I've found is
that a keg is a quarter of a hogshead (63 gallons), putting the keg at
15.75 gallons.  However, further research has shown that most
breweries outside North America use a 50 liter (~13.2 gal) keg.

Surely there must be an international standards body chartered with
deciding this issue once and for all, but I have been unable to locate
any such definitive authority.

-- John Kodis.


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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2001-10-05  4:55 rob pike
@ 2001-10-05 19:46 ` Boyd Roberts
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Boyd Roberts @ 2001-10-05 19:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

    http://www.euro.ecb.int/en/section/conversion.html

Belgian franc bef 40.3399 
Deutsche Mark dem 1.95583 
Greek drachma grd 340.750
Spanish peseta esp 166.386 
French franc frf 6.55957
Irish pound iep 0.787564 
Italian lira itl 1936.27
Luxembourg franc luf 40.3399 
Dutch guilder nlg 2.20371
Austrian schilling ats 13.7603 
Portuguese escudo pte 200.482
Finnish markka fim 5.94573 




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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2001-10-05  3:29 rob pike
  2001-10-05  3:41 ` Boyd Roberts
@ 2001-10-05 19:01 ` Matthew Hannigan
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Hannigan @ 2001-10-05 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans


.. from
http://europa.eu.int/euro/html/rubrique-cadre5.html?pag=rubrique-defaut5.html|lang=5|rubrique=178|chap=14


1 EUR = 40.3399 BEF
  
= 1.95583 DEM
  
= 340.750 GRD
  
= 166.386 ESP
  
= 6.55957 FRF
  
= .787564 IEP
  
= 1936.27 ITL
  
= 40.3399 LUF
  
= 2.20371 NLG
  
= 13.7603 ATS
  
= 200.482 PTE
  
= 5.94573 FIM
 


rob pike wrote:
> 
> How about a complete list?
> 
> -rob
> 
>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject: [9fans] /lib/units
> Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:47:17 +0200
> From: "Boyd Roberts" <boyd@fr.inter.net>
> Reply-To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
> 
> this may be a useful addition as the rate between a french
> franc and the euro is constant:
> 
> ff    euro | 6.55957


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* [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2001-10-05  4:55 rob pike
  2001-10-05 19:46 ` Boyd Roberts
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: rob pike @ 2001-10-05  4:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

[-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 154 bytes --]

This has the new definitions but older values for
most of the currencies.  I put in a current value
for the euro, so the EU currencies are up to date.

[-- Attachment #2: units --]
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/order of evaluation
/ + -
/ * /
/ juxtaposition (meaning *)
/ ¹ ² ³ ^
/ | (meaning /)
/ name number ()

/dimensions
m			#
kg			#
sec			#
coul			#
candela			#
$			#
radian			#
bit			#
erlang			#
°K			#
°C			#
°F			#

/constants

π			3.14159265358979323846
pi			π
c			2.997925e+8 m/sec
g			9.80665 m/sec²
au			1.49597871e+11 m
mole			6.022169e+23
e			1.6021917e-19 coul
energy			c²
force			g
mercury			1.33322e+5 kg/m²sec²
hg			mercury
h			6.62620e-34 m²kg/sec
ℏ			h/2 π
hbar			ℏ
nonillion		1e30
octillion		1e27
septillion		1e24
sextillion		1e21
pentillion		1e18
quadrillion		1e15
trillion		1e12
billion			1e9
million			1e6
thousand		1e3
hundred			1e2

/dimensionless

°			1|180 π radian
degree			°
circle			2 π radian
turn			2 π radian
grad			.9 °
arcdeg			1 °
arcmin			1|60 °
arcsec			1|3600 °
ccs			1|36 erlang

steradian		radian²
sphere			4 π steradian
sr			steradian
giga		1024 1024 1024

/Time

second			sec
s			sec
minute			60 sec
min			minute
hour			60 min
hr			hour
day			24 hr
da			day
week			7 day
year			365.24219879 day
yr			year
month			1|12 year
ms			millisec
us			microsec

/Mass

gram			millikg
gm			gram
mg			milligram
metricton		kilokg

/Avoirdupois

lb			.45359237 kg
lbf			lb g
pound			lb
ounce			1|16 lb
oz			ounce
dram			1|16 oz
dr			dram
grain			1|7000 lb
gr			grain
shortton		2000 lb
ton			shortton
longton			2240 lb

/Apothecary

scruple			20 grain
apdram			60 grain
apounce			480 grain
troyounce		apounce
appound			5760 grain
troypound		appound

/Length

meter			m
cm			centimeter
mm			millimeter
km			kilometer
nm			nanometer
micron			micrometer
µ			micrometer
Å			decinanometer
angstrom		Å

inch			2.54 cm
"			inch
in			inch
'			12"
foot			12 in
feet			foot
ft			foot
yard			3 ft
yd			yard
rod			5.5 yd
rd			rod
mile			5280 ft
mi			mile

british			1200|3937 m/ft
nmile			1852 m

acre			4840 yd²

cc			cm³
liter			kilocc
ml			milliliter

/US Liquid

gallon			231 in³
imperial		1.20095
epa			0.8
gal			gallon
quart			1|4 gal
qt			quart
pint			1|2 qt
pt			pint

floz			1|16 pt
fldr			1|8 floz

/US Dry

dry			268.8025 in³/gallon
peck			8 dry quart
pk			peck
bushel			4 peck
bu			bushel

/British

brgallon		277.420 in³
brquart			1|4 brgallon
brpint			1|2 brquart
brfloz			1|20 brpint
brpeck			554.84 in³
brbushel		4 brpeck

/Energy Work

newton			kg m/sec²
nt			newton
joule			nt m
cal			4.1868 joule

/Electrical

coulomb			coul
ampere			coul/sec
amp			ampere
watt			joule/sec
volt			watt/amp
Ω			volt/amp
ohm			Ω
mho			1/Ω
farad			coul/volt
henry			sec²/farad
weber			volt sec

/Light

cd			candela
lumen			cd sr
lux			cd sr/m²

/ MONEY DATE
/ Fri Oct 27 15:52:13 EDT 2000

/ MONEY START
argentpeso		1 | .9998 $
australiadollar		1 | 1.9175 $
brazilreal		1 | 1.9300 $
britainpound		1 | .6972 $
canadadollar		1 | 1.5237 $
chilepeso		1 | 576.45 $
chinayuan		1 | 8.2782 $
colombiapeso		1 | 2165.00 $
czechrepkoruna		1 | 42.11 $
denmarkkrone		1 | 9.0134 $
dominicanpeso		1 | 16.00 $
egyptpound		1 | 3.6750 $
euro			1 | 1.08863 $
hongkongdollar		1 | 7.7991 $
hungaryforint		1 | 317.59 $
indiarupee		1 | 46.600 $
indnsiarupiah		1 | 9025.00 $
israelshekel		1 | 4.1450 $
japanyen		1 | 108.34 $
jordandinar		1 | .71098 $
lebanonpound		1 | 1514.00 $
malaysiaringgit		1 | 3.7996 $
mexicopeso		1 | 9.6850 $
newzealanddollar	1 | 2.4938 $
norwaykrone		1 | 9.5940 $
pakistanrupee		1 | 57.75 $
perunewsol		1 | 3.510 $
philpinspeso		1 | 50.10 $
polandzloty		1 | 4.70 $
russiaruble		1 | 27.9200 $
sdr			1 | .7841 $
saudiarabriyal		1 | 3.7508 $
singaporedollar		1 | 1.7546 $
slovakrepkoruna		1 | 52.65 $
southafricarand		1 | 7.6725 $
southkoreawon		1 | 1137.20 $
swedenkrona		1 | 10.2621 $
switzerlndfranc		1 | 1.8195 $
taiwandollar		1 | 32.09 $
thailandbaht		1 | 43.58 $
turkeylira		1 | 687860 $
uaedirham		1 | 3.6728 $
uruguaynewpeso		1 | 12.4180 $
venezuelabolivar	1 | 693.2500 $
/ MONEY END

€			euro
£			britainpound
¥			japanyen
dollar			$

bef			1 | 40.3399 €
belgiumfranc	bef
dem			1 | 1.95583 €
germanymark	dem
grd			1 | 340.750 €
greecedrachma	grd
esp			1 | 166.386 €
spainpeseta		esp
frf			1 | 6.55957 €
francefranc	frf
iep			1 | .787564 €
irelandpunt	iep
itl			1 | 1936.27 €
italylira		itl
luf			1 | 40.3399 €
luxembourgfranc	luf
nlg			1 | 2.20371 €
netherlandsguilder	nlg
ats			1 | 13.7603 €
austriaschilling	ats
pte			1 | 200.482 €
portugalescudo	pte
fim			1 | 5.94573 €
finlandmark	fim

baht			thailandbaht
bolivar			venezuelabolivar
brpound			britainpound
dinar			jordandinar
dirham			uaedirham
drachma			greecedrachma
escudo			portugalescudo
forint			hungaryforint
franc			francefranc
guilder			netherlandsguilder
krona			swedenkrona
lira			italylira
mark			germanymark
peseta			spainpeseta
peso			mexicopeso
punt			irelandpunt
rand			southafricarand
real			brazilreal
yuan			chinayuan
ringgit			malaysiaringgit
riyal			saudiarabriyal
ruble			russiaruble
rupee			indiarupee
rupiah			indnsiarupiah
shekel			israelshekel
sol			perunewsol
won			southkoreawon
yen			japanyen
zloty			polandzloty

usdollar		dollar
sterling		britainpound | pound
poundsterling		britainpound

/bits

baud			bit/sec
byte			8 bit
short			2 byte
long			4 byte
vlong			8 bytes
frame			2352 byte

/Australian liquid measure

pony			7 brfloz
midie			10 brfloz
pot			midie
handle			midie
schooner		15 brfloz
jug			40 brfloz
resch			midie
alf			midie
tinny			13 brfloz
stubby			tinny
twisty			250 ml
longneck		2 tinny
slab			24 tinny
sixpack			6 tinny
nip			brfloz

/wine
winebottle		750 ml
balthazar		16 winebottle
jeroboam		4 winebottle
magnum			2 winebottle
mathusalem		8 winebottle
methuselah		8 winebottle
nebuchadnezzar		20 winebottle
rehoboam		6 winebottle
salmanazar		12 winebottle
split			0.25 winebottle
jigger			1.5 floz

/Trivia

%			1|100
admiraltyknot		6080 ft/hr
ε₀			(1e-9/36π) farad/m
α			(1/4π ε₀) e²/ℏ c
alpha			α
apostilb		cd/π m²
are			1e+2 m²
arpentcan		27.52 mi
arpentlin		191.835 ft
astronomicalunit	au
atmosphere		1.01325e+5 nt/m²
atm			atmosphere
atomicmassunit		1.66044e-27 kg
amu			atomicmassunit
bag			94 lb
bakersdozen		13
bar			1e+5 nt/m²
barie			1e-1 nt/m²
barleycorn		1|3 in
barn			1e-28 m²
barrel			42 gal
barye			1e-1 nt/m²
bev			1e+9 e volt
biot			10 amp
blondel			cd/π m²
boardfoot		144 in³
bolt			40 yd
bottommeasure		1|40 in
britishthermalunit	1.05506e+3 joule
btu			britishthermalunit
quad			1.0e+15 btu
refrigeration		12000 btu/ton hour
buck			dollar
cable			720 ft
caliber			1e-2 in
calorie			cal
carat			205 mg
cent			centidollar
cental			100 lb
centesimalminute	1e-2 grad
centesimalsecond	1e-4 grad
century			100 year
cfs			ft³/sec
chain			66 ft
circularinch		1|4 π in²
circularmil		1e-6|4 π in²
clusec			1e-8 mm hg m³/s
coomb			4 bu
cord			128 ft³
cordfoot		cord
crith			9.06e-2 gm
cubit			18 in
cup			1|2 pt
curie			3.7e+10/sec
cusec			ft³/sec
dalton			amu
decade			10 yr
degK			°K
degC			°C
degF			°F
dipotre			1/m
displacementton		35 ft³
doppelzentner		100 kg
dozen			12
drop			.03 cm³
dyne			cm gm/sec²
electronvolt		e volt
ell			45 in
engineerschain		100 ft
engineerslink		100|100 ft
equivalentfootcandle	lumen/π ft²
equivalentlux		lumen/π m²
equivalentphot		cd/π cm²
erg			cm²gm/sec²
ev			e volt
faraday			9.652e+4 coul
fathom			6 ft
fermi			1e-15 m
fifth			4|5 qt
fin			5 dollar
finger			7|8 in
firkin			9 gal
footcandle		lumen/ft²
footlambert		cd/π ft²
fortnight		14 da
franklin		3.33564e-10 coul
frigorie		kilocal
furlong			220 yd
galileo			1e-2 m/sec²
gamma			1e-9 weber/m²
gauss			1e-4 weber/m²
geodeticfoot		british ft
geographicalmile	1852 m
gilbert			7.95775e-1 amp
gill			1|4 pt
gross			144
gunterschain		22 yd
hand			4 in
hectare			1e+4 m²
hefnercandle		.92 cd
hertz			1/sec
hogshead		2 barrel
hd			hogshead
homestead		1|4 mi²
horsepower		550 ft lb g/sec
hp			horsepower
hyl			gm force sec²/m
hz			1/sec
imaginarycubicfoot	1.4 ft³
karat			1|24
kcal			kilocal
kcalorie		kilocal
kev			1e+3 e volt
key			kg
khz			1e+3/sec
kilderkin		18 gal
knot			nmile/hr
kwh			kilowatt hour
lambert			cd/π cm²
langley			cal/cm²
last			80 bu
league			3 mi
lightyear		c yr
ly			lightyear
lightsecond		c sec
line			1|12 in
link			66|100 ft
longhundredweight	112 lb
longquarter		28 lb
lusec			1e-6 mm hg m³/s
mach			331.46 m/sec
marineleague		3 nmile
maxwell			1e-8 weber
metriccarat		200 mg
mev			1e+6 e volt
mgd			megagal/day
mh			millihenry
mhz			1e+6/sec
mil			1e-3 in
millenium		1000 year
minersinch		1.5 ft³/min
minim			1|60 fldr
mo			month
mpg			mile/gal
mph			mile/hr
nail			1|16 yd
nauticalmile		nmile
nit			cd/m²
noggin			1|8 qt
nox			1e-3 lux
ns			nanosec
oersted			2.5e+2 amp/m π
oe			oersted
pace			36 in
palm			3 in
parasang		3.5 mi
parsec			au radian/arcsec
pascal			nt/m²
pc			parsec
pennyweight		1|20 oz
percent			%
perch			rd
pf			picofarad
phot			lumen/cm²
pica			1|6 in
pieze			1e+3 nt/m²
pipe			4 barrel
point			1|72 in
poise			gm/cm sec
pole			rd
poundal			ft lb/sec²
pdl			poundal
proof			1/200
psi			lb g/in²
quarter			9 in
quartersection		1|4 mi²
quintal			100 kg
quire			25
rad			100 erg/gm
ream			500
registerton		100 ft³
rhe			10 m²/nt sec
rontgen			2.58e-4 curie/kg
rood			1.21e+3 yd
rope			20 ft
rutherford		1e+6/sec
rydberg			1.36054e+1 ev
sabin			1 ft²
sack			3 bu
seam			8 bu
section			mi²
shippington		40 ft³
shorthundredweight	100 lb
shortquarter		25 lb
siemens			1/Ω
σ			5.66956e-5 erg/cm² °K^4 sec
sigma			σ
skein			120 yd
skot			1e-3 apostilb
slug			lb g sec²/ft
span			9 in
spat			4 π sr
spindle			14400 yd
square			100 ft²
squidge			1|972 inch
catsquidge		1|432 inch
stere			m³
sthene			1e+3 nt
stilb			cd/cm²
stoke			1e-4 m²/sec
stone			14 lb
strike			2 bu
surveyfoot		british ft
surveyorschain		66 ft
surveyorslink		66|100 ft
tablespoon		4 fldr
teaspoon		4|3 fldr
tesla			weber/m²
therm			1e+5 btu
thermie			1e+6 cal
timberfoot		ft³
tnt			4.6e+6 m²/sec²
tonne			1e+6 gm
torr			mm hg
township		36 mi²
tun			8 barrel
water			.22491|2.54 kg/m²sec²
wey			40 bu
weymass			252 lb
Xunit			1.00202e-13 m
k			1.38047e-16 erg/°K
foal			9223372036854775807

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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
  2001-10-05  3:29 rob pike
@ 2001-10-05  3:41 ` Boyd Roberts
  2001-10-05 19:01 ` Matthew Hannigan
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: Boyd Roberts @ 2001-10-05  3:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

> How about a complete list?

if i had it i'd post it.  i'll have a dig around, but
the problem is i see this auto generated stuff and so
you have to chose currency symbols that don't clash.

the real term is FRF, but i didn't want a clash further
down the track so i chose ff.

i'll stick the list on repo.

not to bust /lib/units and dump/yep i bound it from $home/lib.

dump/yep are on repo.




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* Re: [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2001-10-05  3:29 rob pike
  2001-10-05  3:41 ` Boyd Roberts
  2001-10-05 19:01 ` Matthew Hannigan
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 40+ messages in thread
From: rob pike @ 2001-10-05  3:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

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How about a complete list?

-rob


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From: "Boyd Roberts" <boyd@fr.inter.net>
To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: [9fans] /lib/units
Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 02:47:17 +0200
Message-ID: <004401c14d37$489f8b40$a2b9c6d4@SOMA>

this may be a useful addition as the rate between a french
franc and the euro is constant:

ff    euro | 6.55957


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* [9fans] /lib/units
@ 2001-10-05  0:47 Boyd Roberts
  2001-10-08  9:41 ` John Kodis
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 40+ messages in thread
From: Boyd Roberts @ 2001-10-05  0:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9fans

this may be a useful addition as the rate between a french
franc and the euro is constant:

ff    euro | 6.55957




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