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From: "J.R. Mauro" <jrm8005@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] threads vs forks
Date: Tue,  3 Mar 2009 20:54:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3aaafc130903031754v25f7db38y65f9863ebab6ff32@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5978d69bfd72141dfdf2afb79ba4e7da@quanstro.net>

On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:54 PM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> I should have qualified. I mean *massive* parallelization when applied
>> to "average" use cases. I don't think it's totally unusable (I
>> complain about synchronous I/O on my phone every day), but it's being
>> pushed as a panacea, and that is what I think is wrong. Don Knuth
>> holds this opinion, but I think he's mostly alone on that,
>> unfortunately.
>
> it's interesting that parallel wasn't cool when chips were getting
> noticably faster rapidly.  perhaps the focus on parallelization
> is a sign there aren't any other ideas.

Indeed, I think it is. The big manufacturers seem to have hit a wall
with clock speed, done a full reverse, and are now just trying to pack
more transistors and cores on the chip. Not that this is evil, but I
think this is just as bad as the obsession with upping the clock
speeds in that they're too focused on one path instead of
incorporating other cool ideas (i.e., things Transmeta was working on
with virtualization and hosting foreign ISAs)

>
> - erik
>
>



  reply	other threads:[~2009-03-04  1:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-03 11:52 hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:19 ` David Leimbach
2009-03-03 15:32   ` Uriel
2009-03-03 16:15     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 15:33   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 18:11   ` Roman V. Shaposhnik
2009-03-03 18:38     ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-06 18:47       ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-06 20:38         ` David Leimbach
2009-03-07  8:00           ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  0:21         ` Bakul Shah
2009-03-07  2:20           ` Brian L. Stuart
2009-03-03 23:08     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:15       ` Uriel
2009-03-03 23:23         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-03 23:54           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-03-04  0:33             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  0:54               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  1:54                 ` J.R. Mauro [this message]
2009-03-04  3:18                   ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  3:30                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  4:44                       ` James Tomaschke
2009-03-04  5:05                         ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04  5:50                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04  6:08                             ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-03-04 16:52                             ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-04 17:14                               ` ron minnich
2009-03-04 17:27                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-04 18:15                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:32                                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-03-05  3:39                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  3:55                                   ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-05  4:00                                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-05  4:16                                       ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  3:01                                         ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  3:31                                           ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  6:00                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 13:58                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:37                                                 ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:05                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 15:28                                                     ` William K. Josephson
2009-03-07  5:00                                           ` lucio
2009-03-07  5:08                                             ` William Josephson
2009-03-07  5:19                                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:45                                                 ` [9fans] Flash William K. Josephson
2009-03-07 14:42                                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07 14:56                                                     ` William Josephson
2009-03-07 15:39                                                     ` Russ Cox
2009-03-07 16:34                                                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-07  5:24                                               ` [9fans] threads vs forks lucio
2009-03-04  5:19                   ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  2:47                 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  5:24                 ` blstuart
2009-03-04  5:37                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-03-04 16:29                   ` Roman V Shaposhnik
2009-03-04 16:56                   ` john
2009-03-06  9:39             ` maht
2009-03-04  5:07     ` David Leimbach
2009-03-04  5:35     ` John Barham
2009-03-03 16:00 ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:28   ` hugo rivera
2009-03-03 17:31     ` ron minnich
2009-03-03 16:47 ` John Barham
2009-03-04  9:37   ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04  9:58     ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 10:30       ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 10:45         ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 11:15           ` Vincent Schut
2009-03-04 11:33             ` hugo rivera
2009-03-04 13:23               ` Uriel
2009-03-04 14:57         ` ron minnich

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