From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <57928816a76e769327ca134d7e28bd06@bellsouth.net> <404df7e5d05c5ae6057ea214164f0d0d@quintile.net> <20090417194357.GB3103@polynum.com> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:29:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3aaafc130904171329t8553e7dw7ed706952d77e193@mail.gmail.com> From: "J.R. Mauro" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Topicbox-Message-UUID: e46ae70a-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 4:14 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wro= te: > On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 2:43 PM, =A0 wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: >>> I cannot find the reference (sorry), but I read an interview with Ken >>> (Thompson) a while ago. >>> >> >> My interpretation of cloud computing is precisely the split done by >> plan9 with terminal/CPU/FileServer: a UI runing on a this Terminal, with >> actual computing done somewhere about data stored somewhere. >> > > That misses the dynamic nature which clouds could enable -- something > we lack as well with our hardcoded /lib/ndb files -- there is no > provisions for cluster resources coming and going (or failing) and no > control facilities given for provisioning (or deprovisioning) those > resources in a dynamic fashion. =A0Lucho's kvmfs (and to a certain > extent xcpu) seem like steps in the right direction -- but IMHO more > fundamental changes need to occur in the way we think about things. =A0I > believe the file system interfaces While not focused on "cloud > computing" in particular, the work we are doing under HARE aims to > explore these directions further (both in the context of Plan > 9/Inferno as well as broader themes involving other platforms). Vidi also seems to be an attempt to make Venti work in such a dynamic environment. IMHO, the assumption that computers are always connected to the network was a fundamental mistake in Plan 9 > > For hints/ideas/whatnot you can check the current pubs (more coming > soon): http://www.research.ibm.com/hare > > =A0 =A0 =A0-eric > >