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From: "J.R. Mauro" <jrm8005@gmail.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:51:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3aaafc130904172251g2724ad24l5a67d70240f967f0@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9222741332382c57e2d74c53076086cc@quanstro.net>

On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:16 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:
>> But I'll say that if anyone tries to solve these problems today, they
>> should not fall into the same trap,  [...]
>
> yes.  forward thinking was just the thing that made multics
> what it is today.
>
> it is equally a trap to try to prognosticate too far in advance.
> one increases the likelyhood of failure and the chances of being
> dead wrong.
>
> - erik
>
>

I don't think what I outlined is too far ahead, and the issues
presented are all doable as long as a small bit of extra consideration
is made.

Keeping your eye only on the here and now was "just the thing" that
gave Unix a bunch of tumorous growths like sockets and X11, and made
Windows the wonderful piece of hackery it is.

I'm not suggesting we consider how to solve the problems we'll face
when we're flying through space and time in the TARDIS and shrinking
ourselves and our bioships down to molecular sizes to cure someone's
brain cancer. I'm talking about making something scale across
distances and magnitudes that we will come accustomed to in the next
five decades.



  reply	other threads:[~2009-04-18  5:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 181+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-04-16 17:47 [9fans] security questions Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 18:30 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 19:14   ` Venkatesh Srinivas
2009-04-16 20:10     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 20:19       ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  4:48         ` lucio
2009-04-17  5:03           ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17  9:47             ` lucio
2009-04-17 10:24               ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 11:55                 ` lucio
2009-04-17 13:08                   ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 14:15                     ` gdiaz
2009-04-17 16:39                     ` lucio
     [not found]                   ` <6FD675BC714D323BF959A53B@192.168.1.2>
2009-04-17 16:15                     ` Robert Raschke
2009-04-17 20:12                       ` John Barham
2009-04-17 21:40                         ` blstuart
2009-04-17 16:32               ` [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions) blstuart
2009-04-17 17:11                 ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 17:29                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:18                     ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 19:00                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:50                     ` blstuart
2009-04-17 18:31                   ` blstuart
2009-04-17 18:45                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 18:59                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 19:05                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 20:21                           ` blstuart
2009-04-18 14:54                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:06                               ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-19 20:52                               ` blstuart
2009-04-20 17:30                                 ` [9fans] VMs, etc maht
2009-04-20 17:44                                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 17:47                                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-20 17:49                                     ` maht
2009-04-17 19:39                     ` [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions) tlaronde
2009-04-17 21:25                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 21:59                         ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 23:41                         ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-17 18:59                   ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17 21:38                     ` blstuart
     [not found]                   ` <1322FA0842063D3D53C712DC@192.168.1.2>
2009-04-17 20:07                     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 19:02                 ` lucio
2009-04-17 21:01                   ` blstuart
2009-04-18  5:25                     ` lucio
2009-04-19 20:19                       ` blstuart
2009-04-17 19:16                 ` [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Steve Simon
2009-04-17 19:39                   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 19:43                   ` tlaronde
2009-04-17 19:56                     ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 20:14                     ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2009-04-17 20:18                       ` Benjamin Huntsman
2009-04-18  4:26                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 20:29                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  3:56                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  4:12                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  4:16                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  5:51                               ` J.R. Mauro [this message]
2009-04-18 12:52                       ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17 20:20                   ` John Barham
2009-04-16 20:51       ` [9fans] security questions erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 21:49         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-16 22:19           ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-16 23:36             ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  0:00               ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  1:25                 ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  1:54                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  2:17                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  2:23                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17  2:33                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  2:43                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17  5:48                             ` john
2009-04-17  5:52                               ` Bruce Ellis
2009-04-17  5:52                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-17  5:57                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2009-04-17  9:26                           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-17 10:29                             ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17 11:04                               ` Mechiel Lukkien
2009-04-17 11:36                               ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:40                               ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:51                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 12:06                               ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 13:52                                 ` Steve Simon
2009-04-17  1:59                   ` Russ Cox
2009-04-17 12:07                     ` maht
2009-04-17  2:07                   ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17  2:19                     ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  6:33                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17  9:51                         ` lucio
2009-04-17 11:34                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-17 12:14                           ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17 18:29                             ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-17 11:59                         ` Devon H. O'Dell
2009-04-17  5:06                     ` Eris Discordia
2009-04-17  8:36             ` Richard Miller
2009-04-17 22:08 [9fans] Plan9 - the next 20 years Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-04-17 22:15 ` ron minnich
2009-04-17 22:35   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-17 23:01     ` ron minnich
2009-04-18  2:06       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  2:39         ` ron minnich
2009-04-18  2:43           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  5:55           ` lucio
2009-04-18  3:37         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  4:04           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  4:16             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18  5:57               ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 13:50                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 14:53                   ` lucio
2009-04-18 15:07                   ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 15:11                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:13                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 16:10                   ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 16:20                     ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 16:26                       ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-18 16:36                       ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 16:53                         ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 17:12                           ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-18 17:37                             ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 23:31                               ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-18 23:26                                 ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18 17:35                           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-18  5:58           ` lucio
2009-04-18 11:59   ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 14:31     ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 15:05     ` ron minnich
2009-04-18 15:33       ` tlaronde
2009-04-23 16:56       ` tlaronde
2009-04-24 15:33         ` ron minnich
2009-04-24 16:43           ` tlaronde
2009-04-18 15:16   ` Latchesar Ionkov
2009-04-19 19:34     ` Enrico Weigelt
2009-04-19 19:52       ` ron minnich
2009-04-19  7:12 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-04-19 15:26   ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20  2:14     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-04-20 14:58       ` Uriel
2009-04-20 17:18         ` maht
2009-04-20 18:15           ` J.R. Mauro
2009-04-20 18:30             ` maht
2009-04-20 19:02           ` Charles Forsyth
2009-04-20 18:03         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2009-04-20 18:07           ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-23  5:07             ` sqweek
2009-04-23  5:36               ` Nathaniel W Filardo
2009-04-23 11:51                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 18:18           ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 18:35             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 18:55               ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 19:03                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 20:17                   ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 20:33                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 21:18                       ` David Leimbach
2009-04-20 21:28                         ` andrey mirtchovski
2009-04-21  8:19                           ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 12:00                             ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:52                             ` David Leimbach
2009-04-21 17:06                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 17:11                                 ` David Leimbach
2009-04-21  7:38                       ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-20 19:13                 ` Steve Simon
2009-04-20 19:22                   ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-20 18:39           ` Francisco J Ballesteros
2009-04-21  9:52             ` maht
2009-04-21 10:23               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 12:04                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 14:03                   ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 14:09                     ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 14:33                       ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2009-04-21 14:50                         ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 16:03                           ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:09                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 17:12                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 17:43                                 ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 18:14                                   ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:38                             ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-21 16:59                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:10                           ` Bakul Shah
2009-04-21 16:25                             ` erik quanstrom
2009-04-21 17:03                               ` David Leimbach
2009-04-21 17:23                               ` roger peppe
2009-04-21 16:53               ` David Leimbach

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