From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3aaafc130904180915v5ce5b809xb6c46141f7dbc1f5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3aaafc130904180934m4b7a40d1xe8133a2a61f70170@mail.gmail.com> From: "J.R. Mauro" To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9 Topicbox-Message-UUID: e67a4cd4-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:20 PM, erik quanstrom wr= ote: >> Seriously, give Gentoo portage a try. There is a sane package >> management system for Linux. > > if you don't upgrade in lock step you will get into dependency hell. > portage is now exactly what its developers railed against =97 rpm > dependency hell. =A0portage just kicks the can down the street a bit. I didn't upgrade for 6 months because of the e2fsprogs problem, but when I finally did, I didn't have any problems across 190 packages. > > in fact, an upgraded system will differ significantly from a fresh instal= l > even after an emerge world. > > portage is just broken. In many ways, yes, but it is less broken than apt or rpm. The only way it could be less broken is by not caring about dependencies, but then you're left with something like Arch, where you *really* have to know what you're doing. Of course, 90% of this could be solved by the elimination of shared libraries, but oh well. > > unfortunately, i don't know of any alternatives that will allow me > and not rh or somebody else to decided if i am going to run ldap > or whatever. If you want something that gives you freedom from "standard packaging" and is less of a nanny than portage, either LFS or Arch are your best bet.