Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

[sirjofri <sirjofri+ml-9fans@sirjofri.de>]

Hello dear community,

I've read through many things in this thread and just want to add some 
two cents in a list format:

1) p9f (to my knowledge) never said anything about The One Plan 9. This 
was afaik the idea of some other community member, and I never heard any 
statement by p9f about that.

2) In fact, p9f is pretty silent, not only these days. This could be a 
good sign, as they let community be what they are, only occasionally 
taking part in it.

3) the p9f website promotes links to the Plan 9 archive software (V1-V4), 
9legacy as "Plan 9 with many useful patches", the RPi version and other 
Plan 9 resources. 9front is _never_ mentioned at all. It seems like they 
don't consider 9front as a Plan 9 system at all.

I don't know why, it's possible they just don't want it to exist or they 
don't know how to see it. It just hurts me personally as a community 
person who uses 9front and not the original Plan 9. And it's confusing. 
Am I even a Plan 9 user? The core OS principles are the same and most 
"shell" concepts also.

4) The split between original Plan9/9legacy and the 9front fork is 
reflected in a split between communities. David and the 9front core devs 
already showed that they are generally willing to share and accept 
patches and I never noticed any bad tone in their discussion, however the 
community is split up. And I don't think that we are so big that we _had_ 
to split up, there are other reasons, maybe historical reasons I don't 
know as a "fresh" community member with only ~5 years.

5) I really wished p9f would tell us more about their plans. It really 
seems like it's what we (9gridchan chat) feared in the beginning: a 
secret society. p9f is very silent, currently only seems to manage GSoC 
and nothing more. They told us they needed time to organize GSoC and 
themselves, but that was in january/february!

It's fine if they want to be silent, but it would be nice to see what we 
can expect from them. Currently it seems like they just want to share 
links to 9legacy and the archive and organize GSoC and hide the fact that 
9front exists.

6) p9f had a page about their purpose. It was like, they want to promote 
all Plan 9 systems and related technologies: 9atom, 9legacy, ... missing 
the (apparently) most obvious one: 9front. I couldn't find the page 
anymore. Other dubious sources can be found on the 9front /who/ site 
about p9f, where they apparently stole resources from 9front/cat-v pages. 
Very suspicious somehow.

7) To clarify: I don't want to see p9f as bad. I want to see them as a 
nice organization which is open for community efforts that need some 
official site. I want to see other community members/devs there, maybe 
one 9front contributor. I want to see them mentioning 9front like they 
mention other Plan 9 projects. I want to see p9f members open their 
mouths sometimes (which does happen) and take part in the community.

These are my wishes and notes, everything from my perspective.

sirjofri

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