From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60507191308f6df228@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:08:21 -0700 From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] First-timer help In-Reply-To: <1121793240.1813.1.camel@noisegen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20050719T084834Z_FFB700000000@mail2.cu-portland.edu> <1121793240.1813.1.camel@noisegen> Cc: Russ Cox Topicbox-Message-UUID: 6c0db99e-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 7/19/05, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > On Tue, 2005-07-19 at 09:10, Russ Cox wrote: > > > I keep thinking about gentoo, since I really still like freebsd bette= r and > > > gentoo reminds me of the freebsd ports collection. There are days I m= iss > > > from my old job which involved a lot of FreeBSD work ... > > > > Gentoo and FreeBSD ports are both getting to be a little ridiculous. > > I mean, really, why should I have to compile Firefox in order to instal= l > > it on my laptop? Let someone else waste the hours of cpu time to > > compile it and the libraries it rides in on. All I want is a binary. > > > > I watched a FreeBSD user install the latest gaim from ports. > > It was funny. It took at least an hour. Compare with the equivalent > > on a binary package system like Debian: >=20 > Not to be coy, but: >=20 > pkg_add -rv gaim? >=20 > I don't think the FreeBSD user in question was very experienced. Also, as= long as the ABI hasn't changed, one can also usually download packages fro= m the -CURRENT port snapshot, if the ones snapshotted at -RELEASE are outda= ted. Not to mention FreeBSD now has binary updates for security patches. I think this is a huge step forward for sysadmins of FreeBSD systems everywhere. Not to mention the fact that I installed what was supposed to be a "demo box" for a bugtracker at work over 2 years ago and I almost forgot about it cuz the sucker never dies! I've yet to have such an experience with ANY version of linux due to weird kernel mishaps. Many of my linux zealot buddies really think "the last great linux kernel" was 2.0.36 :). I have to admit though, that when it comes to hardware driver support, linux is currently the winner. Dave >=20 > -Devon >=20 >