From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e605092208016942fb8b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:01:10 -0700 From: David Leimbach To: Ronald G Minnich Subject: Re: [9fans] ndis-ulator for plan 9 In-Reply-To: <4332C639.8040607@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <836acde3b92a3051ec317b5281c1d047@terzarima.net> <3e1162e605092207172e74e9cb@mail.gmail.com> <4332C639.8040607@lanl.gov> Cc: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 8f36d888-ead0-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 9/22/05, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > David Leimbach wrote: > > > All of this begins to remind me why I normally don't muck around in OS > > kernels. It's so really not fun or interesting to deal with the > > braindead-ness of hardware. > > it's not all bad. USB was a trainwreck from day one. But there's > infiniban- oh, wait, that's kind of icky too. Well, there's always > BlueToot -- oh, wait, I'm told that makes USB look sane. > > well, still, you still shouldn't give up so easily. > > Ah, then, maybe chipset work? You could work with the chipsets and -- > oh, wait, vendors won't let you see them. Hmm. Well, they're kinda ugly > anwyay. > > Well, there's the busses! Yes, the busses! check out PCI-E, which does > ARQ in hardware! Now there's some fun -- oh, no, it's not fun at all, > Forgive me, I forgot. And, I am told, it has just as high latency as > PCI-X, because of all the extra glop that got added to support ARQ in > hardware. Hmm. > > Well, if you don't want to do hardware, consider the low-level software > stuff that vendors are pushing, like EFI and ACPI, they're really pretty > nic -- oh, wait, they're awful. > > ah, hmm. Well! this is interesting. I'm putting my life into stuff that > sucks. What am I doing here? > > I shoulda gone to work for a railroad. If you get mad at something on > the railroad, you get to hit it with a spike hammer (I learned this from > experience). Although at times I would like to hit a computer with a > spike hammer. Spike hammers have a nice heft to them, and would leave a > nice round hole in most computers -- metal cases are no problem. > > Or maybe be a window washer! ".... a window washer me ..." I've often thought I might be able to bake the ultimate bagel. Then I can just get fat and go "BAM! on TV or something. > > ron >