From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 12:35:19 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [9fans] compact form server Topicbox-Message-UUID: 160a2fae-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? i'm looking for something smaller than a laptop, which is the current option. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4a90aa7160fe25c6f038cf90858bda40@quanstro.net> From: erik quanstrom Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:12:13 -0600 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1616aa68-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 does it have to be a p4? On Fri Mar 17 14:36:31 CST 2006, 9nut@9netics.com wrote: > anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a > small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? > > i'm looking for something smaller than a laptop, which is the current option. > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10603171601j8a162b6p28defb98f5c66fbd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:01:57 -0500 From: "LiteStar numnums" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3822_11418853.1142640117597" References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 165d22d6-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_3822_11418853.1142640117597 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What about the Shuttle PCs? I use one here for NFS, FTP, CIFS & remote backups. It's a P4 with 512MO RAM, &c. It's not running Plan9, but you coul= d definitely try one of the various ones. On 3/17/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a > small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? > > i'm looking for something smaller than a laptop, which is the current > option. > > -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_3822_11418853.1142640117597 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline What about the Shuttle PCs? I use one here for NFS, FTP, CIFS & remote = backups. It's a P4 with 512MO RAM, &c. It's not running Plan9, but you = could definitely try one of the various ones.

On 3/17/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a
sma= ll footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth?

i'm looking for something= smaller than a laptop, which is the current option.




--
Nietzsche's first step is to accept = what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive= and
radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to prov= oke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the
problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and the= re is nothing final about it. Thus God
is useless, since He wants nothi= ng in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the tradi= tional
forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsib= lity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency
which would debase = the entire value of being born."
-- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt= =E9 ------=_Part_3822_11418853.1142640117597-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <6e35c0620603171619q2256dde7x24f73cb3f7a9bf76@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:19:54 -0800 From: "Jack Johnson" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1661e000-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 3/17/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a > small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? Down the road, is there any hope of booting on an x86 Mac Mini? -Jack From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <6dcbe5980603171627o68d600afkc77e7a969fe67f95@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:27:54 -0800 From: veritosproject@gmail.com To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <6e35c0620603171619q2256dde7x24f73cb3f7a9bf76@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6e35c0620603171619q2256dde7x24f73cb3f7a9bf76@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 167a72dc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 3/17/06, Jack Johnson wrote: > On 3/17/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a > > small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? > > Down the road, is there any hope of booting on an x86 Mac Mini? > > -Jack > Probably, just hack some code from the solution used to do that for Windows (which means emulating a few BIOS calls). An alternate approach would be to rewrite the bootloader so that it would work in EFI. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <6e35c0620603171629x69022645uc6e528786f91d037@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:29:51 -0800 From: "Jack Johnson" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16856de0-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 3/17/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > i'm looking for something smaller than a laptop, which is the current opt= ion. I suppose I can pass on Google's target marketing, too: http://www.simplifiedinnovation.com/ -Jack From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <4f34febc0603171712g25a630abq1363e692eff86679@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 10:12:44 +0900 From: "John Barham" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16b7d5d2-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 The new (shipping?) VIA boards (http://www.via.com.tw/en/products/mainboards/mini_itx/epia_en/index.jsp) include their x86 C7 chip with hardware SHA1 and AES acceleration which would be useful for venti. I don't know how compatible their chip sets would be though. John On 3/18/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a > small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? > > i'm looking for something smaller than a laptop, which is the current opt= ion. > > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 22:37:53 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 16d6ff20-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 There are several micro-ATX boards which take an AMD64/Sempron/Turion (socket 754) if you are not tied to the P4. There are usually other considerations than simply small-footprint. If that's what you want then you probably also want it to be queit and cool because you're not sticking it in the basement out of sight. And will you have discs in it, will you run it with a monitor, etc. --jim From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 00:08:51 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1728fdca-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 equivalent AMD process is just fine. it's mainly the processing power. it's to allow me to carry around a cpu+auth+fossil. 40G disks found in inexpensive laptops are plenty big; 1GB RAM, although either 256 or 512 MB would work. if i could rip the display and keyboard out of an inexpensive laptop and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied. > There are several micro-ATX boards which take an > AMD64/Sempron/Turion (socket 754) if you are not > tied to the P4. > > There are usually other considerations than simply > small-footprint. If that's what you want then you > probably also want it to be queit and cool because > you're not sticking it in the basement out of sight. > And will you have discs in it, will you run it with > a monitor, etc. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10603180924s5e67d216p1754b19aad261b03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2006 12:24:52 -0500 From: "LiteStar numnums" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2558_22910682.1142702692217" References: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 18b0fe5e-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_2558_22910682.1142702692217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline With everything that you're going through, wouldn't it be enough to simply buy a laptop? On 3/18/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > equivalent AMD process is just fine. it's mainly > the processing power. > > it's to allow me to carry around a cpu+auth+fossil. > 40G disks found in inexpensive laptops are plenty big; > 1GB RAM, although either 256 or 512 MB would work. > > if i could rip the display and keyboard out of an inexpensive laptop > and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied. > > > There are several micro-ATX boards which take an > > AMD64/Sempron/Turion (socket 754) if you are not > > tied to the P4. > > > > There are usually other considerations than simply > > small-footprint. If that's what you want then you > > probably also want it to be queit and cool because > > you're not sticking it in the basement out of sight. > > And will you have discs in it, will you run it with > > a monitor, etc. > > -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_2558_22910682.1142702692217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline With everything that you're going through, wouldn't it be enough to simply = buy a laptop?

On 3/18/06, Skip Tavakkolian < 9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
equivalent AMD process is just fine. it's mainly
th= e processing power.

it's to allow me to carry around a cpu+auth+fossil.
40G disks fo= und in inexpensive laptops are plenty big;
1GB RAM, although either 256 = or 512 MB would work.

if i could rip the display and keyboard out of= an inexpensive laptop
and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied.

> There are= several micro-ATX boards which take an
> AMD64/Sempron/Turion (socke= t 754) if you are not
> tied to the P4.
>
> There are usu= ally other considerations than simply
> small-footprint. If that's what you want then you
> probably= also want it to be queit and cool because
> you're not sticking it i= n the basement out of sight.
> And will you have discs in it, will yo= u run it with
> a monitor, etc.



--
Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him= goes without saying and is "contructive and
radical". Nietzsc= he's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a fin= al decision about the
problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and the= re is nothing final about it. Thus God
is useless, since He wants nothi= ng in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the tradi= tional
forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsib= lity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency
which would debase = the entire value of being born."
-- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt= =E9 ------=_Part_2558_22910682.1142702692217-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60603190657q10cf3b05n511c6ca5d49ba2a2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 06:57:06 -0800 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <6dcbe5980603171627o68d600afkc77e7a969fe67f95@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <6e35c0620603171619q2256dde7x24f73cb3f7a9bf76@mail.gmail.com> <6dcbe5980603171627o68d600afkc77e7a969fe67f95@mail.gmail.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 191e15e8-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 3/17/06, veritosproject@gmail.com wrote: > On 3/17/06, Jack Johnson wrote: > > On 3/17/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > > anyone has any recommendations for a server box (p4 @ 2+ GHz) with a > > > small footprint, that can run plan9 cpu+auth? > > > > Down the road, is there any hope of booting on an x86 Mac Mini? > > > > -Jack > > > > Probably, just hack some code from the solution used to do that for > Windows (which means emulating a few BIOS calls). An alternate > approach would be to rewrite the bootloader so that it would work in > EFI. > And support non MBR partitions (GPT). Also likely needs either a VGA BIOS or to use whatever it's got UGA instead. I've got a hunch there's not much "just" about it. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <441ECF08.5060105@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 08:49:28 -0700 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server References: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> <283f5df10603180924s5e67d216p1754b19aad261b03@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <283f5df10603180924s5e67d216p1754b19aad261b03@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19a0f828-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 LiteStar numnums wrote: > With everything that you're going through, wouldn't it be enough to > simply buy a laptop? The amd rumba is small, has enet, runs off 5V. We're going development here on them. They're quite nice. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10603200924r5607c2fak19ec8cf6b9e70142@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:24:32 -0500 From: "LiteStar numnums" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <441ECF08.5060105@lanl.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10042_19837594.1142875472679" References: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> <283f5df10603180924s5e67d216p1754b19aad261b03@mail.gmail.com> <441ECF08.5060105@lanl.gov> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19c46376-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_10042_19837594.1142875472679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline But still, with this: >if i could rip the display and keyboard out of an inexpensive laptop >and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied. If you're going to rip apart an inexpensive laptop to utilise the display & keyboard, to attatch it to an inexpensive server... wouldn't it be easier to start with an inexpensive laptop. I presume that we're not setting this up for great lengths of time at any given location. Since AMD laptops can be had (relatively) cheap, I think it would be easier to use than all the work that he was thinking (especially given the connections that most laptops use for lcd...). On 3/20/06, Ronald G Minnich wrote: > > LiteStar numnums wrote: > > With everything that you're going through, wouldn't it be enough to > > simply buy a laptop? > > The amd rumba is small, has enet, runs off 5V. We're going development > here on them. They're quite nice. > > ron > -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_10042_19837594.1142875472679 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline But still, with this:
>if i could rip the display and keyboard out of= an inexpensive laptop
>and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisf= ied.
If you're going to rip apart an inexpensive laptop to utilise the d= isplay & keyboard, to attatch it
to an inexpensive server... wouldn't it be easier to start with an inex= pensive laptop. I presume that
we're not setting this up for great lengt= hs of time at any given location. Since AMD laptops can be
had (relativ= ely) cheap, I think it would be easier to use than all the work that he was= thinking=20
(especially given the connections that most laptops use for lcd...).
On 3/20/06, Ronald G Minnich <rminnich@lan= l.gov > wrote:
LiteStar numnums wrote:
> With everything that you're going thro= ugh, wouldn't it be enough to
> simply buy a laptop?

The amd rumba is small, has enet, runs= off 5V. We're going development
here on them. They're quite nice.
ron



--
Nietzsche's fi= rst step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying an= d is "contructive and
radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke = a kind of crisis and a final decision about the
problem of atheism. The = world continues on its course at random and there is nothing final about it= . Thus God=20
is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted somethin= g -- and here we recognize the traditional
forumlation of the problem of= evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pai= n and inconsistency
which would debase the entire value of being born."
-- Albert = Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_10042_19837594.1142875472679-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 10:05:09 -0800 From: Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> In-Reply-To: <283f5df10603200924r5607c2fak19ec8cf6b9e70142@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19d2d488-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 >>if i could rip the display and keyboard out of an inexpensive laptop >>and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied. > If you're going to rip apart an inexpensive laptop to utilise the display & > keyboard, to attatch it > to an inexpensive server... wouldn't it be easier to start with an > inexpensive laptop. I presume that > we're not setting this up for great lengths of time at any given location. > Since AMD laptops can be > had (relatively) cheap, I think it would be easier to use than all the work > that he was thinking > (especially given the connections that most laptops use for lcd...). no, it's the other way round. i want a very small server. it needs to have the same cpu/storage/memory config as the typical laptop, but doesn't need the display or the keyboard. it would be sufficiently small to have a black box the size of a laptop but smaller thickness (because no display or keyboard) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <441EF1FA.8040700@village.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:18:34 -0500 From: Wes Kussmaul User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server References: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> <283f5df10603180924s5e67d216p1754b19aad261b03@mail.gmail.com> <441ECF08.5060105@lanl.gov> In-Reply-To: <441ECF08.5060105@lanl.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19d8e8dc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Ronald G Minnich wrote: > The amd rumba is small, has enet, runs off 5V. We're going development=20 > here on them. They're quite nice. Ron, I can't find anything on a rumba product on AMD's site (also tried=20 rhumba), and googling rumba only gets messages from one Ron Minnich=20 posted to the linuxbios list. And lots of robotic vacuum cleaners. Can you give us a better vector? --=20 Wes Kussmaul CIO The Village Group 738 Main Street Waltham, MA 02451 781-647-7178 My uncle likes to say that the world=92s biggest troubles started when th= e serpent said, =93Try this fruit, and by the way if a bunch of people co= llectively calling themselves Arthur Andersen signs something it=92s the = same as if a person named Arthur Andersen signed it.=94 I don=92t get the= serpent and fruit part. Must be some Swiss mythology thing. He can be a = bit obscure.=20 P.K. Iggy _How I Like Fixed The Internet_ (Tales from the Great Infodepression of 2009 and the prosperity that followed) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <71c45c619194ff40409686f90045c643@plan9.bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:27:44 -0500 From: jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19df65cc-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On Mon Mar 20 13:05:30 EST 2006, 9nut@9netics.com wrote: > ... > no, it's the other way round. i want a very small server. it needs > to have the same cpu/storage/memory config as the typical laptop, but > doesn't need the display or the keyboard. it would be sufficiently > small to have a black box the size of a laptop but smaller thickness > (because no display or keyboard) Ron knows more about the very small space then I do, but it sounds like you want more processing power than that. I doubt you will find a box that is thinner than a laptop, there's no market for that I can think of. The smallest you are likely to find is something that takes a Mini-ITX form-factor board (or even Nano-ITX) and they will be more 'box' shaped than 'slab' shaped. In those form factors your processor options range from the Via Eden chips (slower but can be run fanless) up to the Intel Pentium-M (laptop chip) and the equivalent AMD (Sempron/Turion). You'll also have to consider the peripheral mix and power supply you want (some of these boards can be run off an external laptop-style power supply). mini-itx.com and mini-box.com (used to be ituner.com) should give you something to go on. --jim From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <283f5df10603201127y5ce50b65sa8c3e44c81988c66@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 14:27:52 -0500 From: "LiteStar numnums" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11618_2087380.1142882872626" References: <283f5df10603200924r5607c2fak19ec8cf6b9e70142@mail.gmail.com> <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19e4d57a-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_11618_2087380.1142882872626 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ah, I took this too far because of the comment about destroy poor, inexpensive laptops. HushPCs, SolarPCs, & the like might be a bit under powered, but definitely worth a look. On 3/20/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote: > > >>if i could rip the display and keyboard out of an inexpensive laptop > >>and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied. > > If you're going to rip apart an inexpensive laptop to utilise the > display & > > keyboard, to attatch it > > to an inexpensive server... wouldn't it be easier to start with an > > inexpensive laptop. I presume that > > we're not setting this up for great lengths of time at any given > location. > > Since AMD laptops can be > > had (relatively) cheap, I think it would be easier to use than all the > work > > that he was thinking > > (especially given the connections that most laptops use for lcd...). > > no, it's the other way round. i want a very small server. it needs > to have the same cpu/storage/memory config as the typical laptop, but > doesn't need the display or the keyboard. it would be sufficiently > small to have a black box the size of a laptop but smaller thickness > (because no display or keyboard) > > -- Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism for him goes without saying and is "contructive and radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke a kind of crisis and a final decision about the problem of atheism. The world continues on its course at random and there i= s nothing final about it. Thus God is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted something -- and here we recognize the traditional forumlation of the problem of evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pain and inconsistency which would debase the entire value of being born." -- Albert Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_11618_2087380.1142882872626 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Ah, I took this too far because of the comment about destroy poor, inexpensive laptops. HushPCs, SolarPCs, & the like might be a bit under powered, but definitely
worth a look.

On 3/20/06, Skip Tavakkolian <9nut@9netics.com> wrote:
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>>and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied.
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Nietzsche's first step is to accept what he knows. Atheism fo= r him goes without saying and is "contructive and
radical". Nietzsche's supreme vocation, so he says, is to provoke = a kind of crisis and a final decision about the
problem of atheism. The = world continues on its course at random and there is nothing final about it= . Thus God=20
is useless, since He wants nothing in particular. If he wanted somethin= g -- and here we recognize the traditional
forumlation of the problem of= evil -- He would have to assume responsiblity for "a sum total of pai= n and inconsistency
which would debase the entire value of being born."
-- Albert = Camus, L'Homme r=E9volt=E9 ------=_Part_11618_2087380.1142882872626-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <441F0409.3080004@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:35:37 -0700 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server References: <71c45c619194ff40409686f90045c643@plan9.bell-labs.com> In-Reply-To: <71c45c619194ff40409686f90045c643@plan9.bell-labs.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19ee2242-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > On Mon Mar 20 13:05:30 EST 2006, 9nut@9netics.com wrote: > >>... >>no, it's the other way round. i want a very small server. it needs >>to have the same cpu/storage/memory config as the typical laptop, but >>doesn't need the display or the keyboard. it would be sufficiently >>small to have a black box the size of a laptop but smaller thickness >>(because no display or keyboard) > > > Ron knows more about the very small space then I do, but it sounds like > you want more processing power than that. I doubt you will find a box > that is thinner than a laptop, there's no market for that I can think of. > The smallest you are likely to find is something that takes a Mini-ITX > form-factor board (or even Nano-ITX) and they will be more 'box' shaped > than 'slab' shaped. In those form factors your processor options range > from the Via Eden chips (slower but can be run fanless) up to the Intel > Pentium-M (laptop chip) and the equivalent AMD (Sempron/Turion). You'll > also have to consider the peripheral mix and power supply you want (some > of these boards can be run off an external laptop-style power supply). As Jim points out, when all is said and done, it is very hard to beat the power of a laptop with the lid closed. It's economics. The darn things even have reasonable power. By the time you build an equivalent box up out of equivalent parts, e.g. Digital Logic adl855pc, you've spent 2x as much as the laptop ... ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <441F0433.1060606@lanl.gov> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:36:19 -0700 From: Ronald G Minnich User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7-1.1.fc4 (X11/20050929) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server References: <2705a4e0dc6d1da74fd7686164e1a81b@9netics.com> <283f5df10603180924s5e67d216p1754b19aad261b03@mail.gmail.com> <441ECF08.5060105@lanl.gov> <441EF1FA.8040700@village.com> In-Reply-To: <441EF1FA.8040700@village.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 19f42a0c-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 Wes Kussmaul wrote: > Ronald G Minnich wrote: > >> The amd rumba is small, has enet, runs off 5V. We're going development >> here on them. They're quite nice. > > > Ron, I can't find anything on a rumba product on AMD's site (also tried > rhumba), and googling rumba only gets messages from one Ron Minnich > posted to the linuxbios list. And lots of robotic vacuum cleaners. sorry folks. Go to the gx2 development site, which I don't have a good URl for right now, and look at the development system. If i get a better URL I will post it. oops. ron From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <6e35c0620603201148w7e986117t29b3295f5ccc4418@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 11:48:56 -0800 From: "Jack Johnson" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server In-Reply-To: <71c45c619194ff40409686f90045c643@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> <71c45c619194ff40409686f90045c643@plan9.bell-labs.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1a01d882-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 On 3/20/06, jmk@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > The smallest you are likely to find is something that takes a Mini-ITX > form-factor board (or even Nano-ITX) and they will be more 'box' shaped > than 'slab' shaped. Yeah, without butchering a laptop or going to something designed for embedded devices, you're probably stuck with something that's going to be roughly 1U (if it were a rackmount device). Figure just over the height of a standard ATX faceplate. Not cheap, but something like this might fit the bill: http://www.hushtechnologies.net/ (see the medical systems) AOpen also has a Mac Mini ripoff that would probably work, too. -Jack From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server From: Dave Eckhardt To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu In-Reply-To: <71c45c619194ff40409686f90045c643@plan9.bell-labs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <11372.1142897075.1@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:24:35 -0500 Message-ID: <11373.1142897075@piper.nectar.cs.cmu.edu> Topicbox-Message-UUID: 1ab80e4a-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 SolarPC.com sells some reasonably thin Mini-ITX machines (which run off of laptop-style 12V bricks). Dave Eckhardt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Subject: Re: [9fans] compact form server From: ems To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu> In-Reply-To: <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> References: <058f9557c43a648defe0f73f914e65d9@9netics.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 18:59:07 +1000 Message-Id: <1144313947.20455.12.camel@heater.intranet.ebr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Topicbox-Message-UUID: 30e5dd78-ead1-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 http://www.lippert-at.com/index.php?id=362 Seems like what you want. Its EPIC size. -- ems On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 10:05 -0800, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > >>if i could rip the display and keyboard out of an inexpensive laptop > >>and put it in a very thin case, i'd be satisfied. > > If you're going to rip apart an inexpensive laptop to utilise the display & > > keyboard, to attatch it > > to an inexpensive server... wouldn't it be easier to start with an > > inexpensive laptop. I presume that > > we're not setting this up for great lengths of time at any given location. > > Since AMD laptops can be > > had (relatively) cheap, I think it would be easier to use than all the work > > that he was thinking > > (especially given the connections that most laptops use for lcd...). > > no, it's the other way round. i want a very small server. it needs > to have the same cpu/storage/memory config as the typical laptop, but > doesn't need the display or the keyboard. it would be sufficiently > small to have a black box the size of a laptop but smaller thickness > (because no display or keyboard)