* [9fans] AMD Sempron @ 2006-06-30 17:25 Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-06-30 17:55 ` jmk 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-06-30 17:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Does the i386 kernel run on AMD Sempron CPUs? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 17:25 [9fans] AMD Sempron Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-06-30 17:55 ` jmk 2006-06-30 18:05 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2006-06-30 17:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans On Fri Jun 30 13:26:31 EDT 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > Does the i386 kernel run on AMD Sempron CPUs? An educated guess would say yes. It runs on all other K7/K8 processors. I think the Sempron is a budget brand which was K7 originally but can be K8 depending on how new it is. Try it and see. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 17:55 ` jmk @ 2006-06-30 18:05 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-06-30 17:58 ` quanstro 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-06-30 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > I think the Sempron is a budget brand which was > K7 originally but can be K8 depending on how new it is. Yah, the technical docs are very unclear about this. > Try it and see. I would have to buy the system before I could do that :-( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 18:05 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-06-30 17:58 ` quanstro 2006-06-30 18:44 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: quanstro @ 2006-06-30 17:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans i think sempron is a marketing term. you need the chip revision letter to tell what the heck it really is. - erik On Fri Jun 30 13:06:01 CDT 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > > I think the Sempron is a budget brand which was > > K7 originally but can be K8 depending on how new it is. > > Yah, the technical docs are very unclear about this. > > > Try it and see. > > I would have to buy the system before I could do that :-( ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 17:58 ` quanstro @ 2006-06-30 18:44 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-06-30 19:07 ` Lou Kamenov 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-06-30 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > i think sempron is a marketing term. you need the chip revision letter > to tell what the heck it really is. The system is an eMachines T3304. All I've been able to find out so far is that it's a socket 754 Sempron 3300+ processor. No info on chipset, on-board Ethernet, etc. Best Buy Canada is practically giving them away, but the local store doesn't have any stock, so I can't wander over and plug in a CD. --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 18:44 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-06-30 19:07 ` Lou Kamenov 2006-06-30 19:29 ` Rob Pike 2006-07-01 23:58 ` quanstro 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Lou Kamenov @ 2006-06-30 19:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 6/30/06, Lyndon Nerenberg <lyndon@orthanc.ca> wrote: > > i think sempron is a marketing term. you need the chip revision letter > > to tell what the heck it really is. > > The system is an eMachines T3304. All I've been able to find out so far > is that it's a socket 754 Sempron 3300+ processor. No info on chipset, > on-board Ethernet, etc. Best Buy Canada is practically giving them > away, but the local store doesn't have any stock, so I can't wander over > and plug in a CD. freebsd/i386 and freebsd/amd64 works on these semprons without problem, they even have sse3 (754 ones), though i haven't tried plan 9. l ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 19:07 ` Lou Kamenov @ 2006-06-30 19:29 ` Rob Pike 2006-06-30 19:53 ` easy laughs 2006-06-30 20:13 ` Re: " David Leimbach 2006-07-01 23:58 ` quanstro 1 sibling, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: Rob Pike @ 2006-06-30 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I thought it was 'Semprini'. -rob ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 19:29 ` Rob Pike @ 2006-06-30 19:53 ` easy laughs 2006-06-30 20:13 ` Re: " David Leimbach 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: easy laughs @ 2006-06-30 19:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > I thought it was 'Semprini'. No no no that was the aftershave. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 19:29 ` Rob Pike 2006-06-30 19:53 ` easy laughs @ 2006-06-30 20:13 ` David Leimbach 1 sibling, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2006-06-30 20:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 6/30/06, Rob Pike <robpike@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought it was 'Semprini'. > > -rob > I thought for sure that word would be censored. here are the words not to be used again in this broadcast: B*M B*TTY P*X KN*CKERS W**-W** SEMPRINI Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-06-30 19:07 ` Lou Kamenov 2006-06-30 19:29 ` Rob Pike @ 2006-07-01 23:58 ` quanstro 2006-07-02 0:34 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: quanstro @ 2006-07-01 23:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans only socket A semprons are k7s. from AMD's site the 3300+ socket 754 is stepping D0, E3 or E6. the E3/E6 is a 64-bit Palermo core with mmx/sse2/3dnow! with a 16bit 800Mhz HT link. the D0 is the same but might (!) not support 64bit and the cache sizes are half as bug. (64/128 vs. 128/256). - erik http://www.amdcompare.com/us-en/desktop/Default.aspx http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K7/index.html http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/TYPE-Sempron%2064.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-01 23:58 ` quanstro @ 2006-07-02 0:34 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-07-02 0:48 ` quanstro 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-07-02 0:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > the E3/E6 is a 64-bit Palermo core with mmx/sse2/3dnow! with a > 16bit 800Mhz HT link. > the D0 is the same but might (!) not support 64bit and the cache > sizes are half as bug. > (64/128 vs. 128/256). Bloody hell. Let's just simplify the whole mess and give them all a brand name of CPU™. I've have a new plan: I'll buy the Sempr0n box to use as a replacement for my BSD server, and run Plan 9 on the old box (a Via C3 Nehemiah). This works better anyway, as the Via "server" will actually fit on the boat ;-) --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-02 0:34 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-07-02 0:48 ` quanstro 2006-07-02 2:19 ` jmk 2006-07-02 5:18 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 0 siblings, 2 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: quanstro @ 2006-07-02 0:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans it's not that bad. they're all K8s with different steppings. what you don't know is the cache size or if it's got 64-bit capabilities, which kenc does not yet support. i don't think what you don't know will be a problem in this case. it's interesting with all the marketing going on right now you need to be quite savvy to figure out what you're really getting. a bit like the days of hand-built computers. - erik On Sat Jul 1 19:35:43 CDT 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > > the E3/E6 is a 64-bit Palermo core with mmx/sse2/3dnow! with a > > 16bit 800Mhz HT link. > > the D0 is the same but might (!) not support 64bit and the cache > > sizes are half as bug. > > (64/128 vs. 128/256). > > Bloody hell. Let's just simplify the whole mess and give them all a > brand name of CPU™. > > I've have a new plan: I'll buy the Sempr0n box to use as a > replacement for my BSD server, and run Plan 9 on the old box (a Via > C3 Nehemiah). This works better anyway, as the Via "server" will > actually fit on the boat ;-) > > --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-02 0:48 ` quanstro @ 2006-07-02 2:19 ` jmk 2006-07-02 5:22 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-07-02 5:18 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: jmk @ 2006-07-02 2:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans yes. you can fuss over the micromanagement that ekes out every fractional % of performance but unless you are in a very specialised environment that's just obsession. the chips either implement the instruction set and architectural features you expect or they don't. plan9 expects little from the cpu. as usual, what's round about the cpu is the problem, graphics, network, and now to some extent usb (and sata?) being the primary concerns for support. but, of course, device drivers aren't hard (are they? if they were why do other operating systems have so many, coded by such obviously mediocre programmers?), so a little elbow grease should fix that. On Sat Jul 1 20:59:23 EDT 2006, quanstro@quanstro.net wrote: > it's not that bad. they're all K8s with different steppings. what you don't > know is the cache size or if it's got 64-bit capabilities, which kenc does not > yet support. i don't think what you don't know will be a problem in this > case. > > it's interesting with all the marketing going on right now you need to be > quite savvy to figure out what you're really getting. a bit like the days of > hand-built computers. > > - erik > > On Sat Jul 1 19:35:43 CDT 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > > > the E3/E6 is a 64-bit Palermo core with mmx/sse2/3dnow! with a > > > 16bit 800Mhz HT link. > > > the D0 is the same but might (!) not support 64bit and the cache > > > sizes are half as bug. > > > (64/128 vs. 128/256). > > > > Bloody hell. Let's just simplify the whole mess and give them all a > > brand name of CPU™. > > > > I've have a new plan: I'll buy the Sempr0n box to use as a > > replacement for my BSD server, and run Plan 9 on the old box (a Via > > C3 Nehemiah). This works better anyway, as the Via "server" will > > actually fit on the boat ;-) > > > > --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-02 2:19 ` jmk @ 2006-07-02 5:22 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-07-02 7:43 ` quanstro 0 siblings, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-07-02 5:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > the chips either implement the > instruction set and architectural features you expect > or they don't. Not having played with any of the 64 bit intel/amd gear I'm not really comfortable with having to figure out the hard way just how "compatible" they are with 32 bit mode, despite (or in spite of) claims made by the manufacturers. Hardware is just too fscking weirde these days. --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-02 5:22 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-07-02 7:43 ` quanstro 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: quanstro @ 2006-07-02 7:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans they're 100% compatable in 32bit mode. On Sun Jul 2 00:23:10 CDT 2006, lyndon@orthanc.ca wrote: > > the chips either implement the > > instruction set and architectural features you expect > > or they don't. > > Not having played with any of the 64 bit intel/amd gear I'm not > really comfortable with having to figure out the hard way just how > "compatible" they are with 32 bit mode, despite (or in spite of) > claims made by the manufacturers. Hardware is just too fscking > weirde these days. > > --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-02 0:48 ` quanstro 2006-07-02 2:19 ` jmk @ 2006-07-02 5:18 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2006-07-02 9:51 ` C H Forsyth 1 sibling, 1 reply; 17+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-07-02 5:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > you need to be > quite savvy to figure out what you're really getting. a bit like > the days of > hand-built computers. When I build them by hand I *know* what I'm getting. That's the problem here :-( Anyway, if the little bugger will play nice as a 32-bit CPU I suppose I'm okay. But that BSD machine could use a kick in the pants, so I think I'll stick to the plan, anyway. And I don't even want to ask about the G5 box I'm working on getting my fingers on. --lyndon ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] AMD Sempron 2006-07-02 5:18 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2006-07-02 9:51 ` C H Forsyth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread From: C H Forsyth @ 2006-07-02 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >And I don't even want to ask about the G5 box I'm working on getting >my fingers on. that's a little easier than amd64 for 64-bit code generation. i'm also fairly sure it has got a 32-bit mode for use initially. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 17+ messages in thread
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