From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60708101534o1652d167w37786aa28ab8ab26@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:34:55 -0700 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] 9fans content In-Reply-To: <70A20023-DFBF-4F10-B13A-81B2E05C6727@telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_7668_26611184.1186785295608" References: <53d983d7773b2f1c70e739c17b1f6e56@terzarima.net> <8022be3a725afcd644aa206cfa327074@quintile.net> <13426df10708100922m30da88d2h4eedb082a78a9012@mail.gmail.com> <5d375e920708101228u4b86f15dv715bf50f57ee6e82@mail.gmail.com> <70A20023-DFBF-4F10-B13A-81B2E05C6727@telus.net> Topicbox-Message-UUID: a61539ee-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_7668_26611184.1186785295608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/10/07, Paul Lalonde wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm one of the "guilty" parties regarding plan9-tech. GSOC requires > public communications, but I'm entirely unhappy passing "did you > check bit 11 of the VPN register" level of crap to 9fans - it's > clearly not where it belongs (I believe it belongs in private email, > but that's another matter). Plan9-tech was a (possibly ill-named) > place to drop those messages. So it wasn't created for the reasons Uriel cited. I'm not terribly surprised that the spin on it was not 100% truthful. I have absolutely no objections to people ever breaking into smaller subgroups to work on stuff people think is only tangentially interesting to the rest of a group. v9fs is a successful subgroup of folks. I just learned of the google code project hosting for Inferno on the DS... I wouldn't think to cram all of that discussion on 9fans. Seems that it's not inappropriate to sort of poke one's head in here from time to time and say "hey look what we're working on and tell us if you think it's crap" once in a while though :-). We are all, after all, 9fans :-) Frankly, my post-mortem on gsoc won't be very nice. I should never > have accepted to work with a student 9 timezones away, even if the > project is really interesting. And I certainly could have poured > arbitrary amounts of time into it, but I'm really unsure where the > line is between the student's project and my own (essentially > recreational) coding. I'm sorry to hear it's not well structured. Paul > > On 10-Aug-07, at 12:28 PM, Uriel wrote: > > > The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc > > students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really, who can > > blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore. > > > > Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to help, > > and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really > > well. > > > > uriel > > > > P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email, > > that has worked so wonderfully so far. > > > > On 8/10/07, ron minnich wrote: > >> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon wrote: > >> > >>> good one uriel, good one. > >> > >> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True > >> 3lite > >> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to > >> the > >> promised land, and so on. > >> > >> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only > >> gaze > >> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off > >> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely > >> intentional; I'll let you find story and title). > >> > >> ron > >> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine > >> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'. > >> > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFGvOOlpJeHo/Fbu1wRAhwVAKCHRJquefKgAFfSnZugJgWuLWbRzgCffgBy > y4b5mvW20Q7QpgdsoQqfIN4= > =mYF7 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > ------=_Part_7668_26611184.1186785295608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/10/07, Paul Lalonde <plalonde@telus.net> wrote:
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I'm one of the "guilty" parties regarding plan9-tech.  GSOC requires
public communications, but I'm entirely unhappy passing "did you
check bit 11 of the VPN register" level of crap to 9fans - it's
clearly not where it belongs (I believe it belongs in private email,
but that's another matter).  Plan9-tech was a (possibly ill-named)
place to drop those messages.

So it wasn't created for the reasons Uriel cited.  I'm not terribly surprised that the spin on it was not 100% truthful.

I have absolutely no objections to people ever breaking into smaller subgroups to work on stuff people think is only tangentially interesting to the rest of a group.

v9fs is a successful subgroup of folks.  I just learned of the google code project hosting for Inferno on the DS... I wouldn't think to cram all of that discussion on 9fans.

 
Seems that it's not inappropriate to sort of poke one's head in here from time to time and say "hey look what we're working on and tell us if you think it's crap" once in a while though :-).  We are all, after all, 9fans :-)

Frankly, my post-mortem on gsoc won't be very nice.  I should never
have accepted to work with a student 9 timezones away, even if the
project is really interesting.  And I certainly could have poured
arbitrary amounts of time into it, but I'm really unsure where the
line is between the student's project and my own (essentially
recreational) coding.

I'm sorry to hear it's not well structured. 

Paul

On 10-Aug-07, at 12:28 PM, Uriel wrote:

> The plan9-tech list was created (not by me) after various gsoc
> students *and* mentors plain refused to use 9fans, and really, who can
> blame them when even jmk refuses to use 9fans anymore.
>
> Anyway, keep jumping to assumptions, bashing people who tries to help,
> and doing what you have doing so far, it seems to have worked really
> well.
>
> uriel
>
> P.S.: Oh, I know, you would rather have everyone use private email,
> that has worked so wonderfully so far.
>
> On 8/10/07, ron minnich <rminnich@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 8/10/07, Steve Simon < steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>>
>>> good one uriel, good one.
>>
>> so, set me straight on this: somone is leading the tribe of True
>> 3lite
>> Hackers across the desert, gonna part the waters etc., take 'em to
>> the
>> promised land, and so on.
>>
>> So, uh, who are these tech contributors who are going? I can only
>> gaze
>> in awe. And, once they get there, I assume they'll take a blanket off
>> the blanket tree and take a nap (ref. to CM Kornbluth is entirely
>> intentional; I'll let you find story and title).
>>
>> ron
>> p.s. met the coraid guys at linux world yesterday. Very, very fine
>> stuff. I love the fact that they are 'the linux storage company'.
>>

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