From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Message-ID: <3e1162e60708240355t4266ec48r80f5ee02868ac0bf@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 05:55:06 -0500 From: "David Leimbach" To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Subject: Re: [9fans] Re: everything is a directory In-Reply-To: <1187901241.757160.291890@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_61304_11478371.1187952906892" References: <1187807457.316205.221560@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1187901241.757160.291890@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Topicbox-Message-UUID: b0adc3ee-ead2-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 ------=_Part_61304_11478371.1187952906892 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 8/24/07, jsnx wrote: > > On Aug 23, 3:35 am, st...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote: > > I'am not trolling, I just don't see their efficacy in plan9. > > I don't see how to architect the system I discussed without attributes. > I can... Build yourself a file server that provides the environment you want with attributes... don't inject it into the core system. Store it for real in fossil files with a certain format. Done? Plan 9's ability to have synthetic filesystems seems to do away with the need to change the way the core filesystems work. If you need the filesystem to behave or to have different semantics it can clearly be done. Seen the TCP interface for instance? sshnet? Sure sometimes we have to make small compromises in the way the system works to achieve some new functionality, but when we do, we seem to be buying a lot for our trade up. (my understanding is sshnet did require some changes to the way the system worked before sshnet was proposed.) Plan 9 seems to have always been about trying to solve problems in a way that's simpler than the way things seem to have turned out in Linux/Unix etc. ------=_Part_61304_11478371.1187952906892 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 8/24/07, jsnx <jason.dusek@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 23, 3:35 am, st...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote:
> I'am not trolling, I just don't see their efficacy in plan9.

I don't see how to architect the system I discussed without attributes.

I can...

Build yourself a file server that provides the environment you want with attributes... don't inject it into the core system.  Store it for real in fossil files with a certain format.

Done?

Plan 9's ability to have synthetic filesystems seems to do away with the need to change the way the core filesystems work.

If you need the filesystem to behave or to have different semantics it can clearly be done.  Seen  the TCP interface for instance?  sshnet?  Sure sometimes we have to make small compromises in the way the system works to achieve some new functionality, but when we do, we seem to be buying a lot for our trade up.  (my understanding is sshnet did require some changes to the way the system worked before sshnet was proposed.)

Plan 9 seems to have always been about trying to solve problems in a way that's simpler than the way things seem to have turned out in Linux/Unix etc.
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