* [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question @ 2007-10-23 19:18 Pietro Gagliardi 2007-10-23 22:27 ` erik quanstrom ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-23 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Hello. I have a simple question about the installation disc: it didn't work on my iMac because it stuck on the second line with some four letter word followed by 0C00. I'm not sure what that means, but I think it is because it's trying to boot x86-32 when my iMac is x86-64. Is there a separate installation disc for each processor architecture? Thanks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-23 19:18 [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-23 22:27 ` erik quanstrom 2007-10-23 22:32 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-24 10:18 ` [9fans] old things Charles Forsyth 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: erik quanstrom @ 2007-10-23 22:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Hello. I have a simple question about the installation disc: it > didn't work on my iMac because it stuck on the second line with some > four letter word followed by 0C00. I'm not sure what that means, but > I think it is because it's trying to boot x86-32 when my iMac is > x86-64. Is there a separate installation disc for each processor > architecture? Thanks. x86-64 is compatable with x86-32 in 32-bit mode. one has to fiddle cr registers &c to turn on 64-bit mode, just like one has to fiddle cr registers &c to turn on 32-bit mode. (maybe efi does this for you. i don't know.) since the plan 9 pc kernel doesn't do any 64-bit mode stuff, this should not be the issue. the four-letter word is ELCR. 0x0000 -> all edge-triggered 8259 irqs. - erik ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-23 19:18 [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question Pietro Gagliardi 2007-10-23 22:27 ` erik quanstrom @ 2007-10-23 22:32 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-23 22:36 ` Pietro Gagliardi ` (2 more replies) 2007-10-24 10:18 ` [9fans] old things Charles Forsyth 2 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2007-10-23 22:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 523 bytes --] On 10/23/07, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > > Hello. I have a simple question about the installation disc: it > didn't work on my iMac because it stuck on the second line with some > four letter word followed by 0C00. I'm not sure what that means, but > I think it is because it's trying to boot x86-32 when my iMac is > x86-64. Is there a separate installation disc for each processor > architecture? Thanks. > Mac OS X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an EFI related issue. [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 902 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-23 22:32 ` David Leimbach @ 2007-10-23 22:36 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-10-23 22:40 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-23 22:40 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2007-10-24 3:32 ` Bakul Shah 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-23 22:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Exactly what issue I am having is unknown to me. Does anyone know any place I can ask? PS - I originally wanted to install Plan 9 on my iMac but after that didn't help (it froze at ELCR : 0C00 - not 0000) I wound up going to my basement computer, a Dell Dimension 2400 with Edubuntu (a Linux distro for educational purposes) and successfully installed and initialized Plan 9 from Bell Labs. But the Broadcom chip thing and having to go upstairs/downstairs is not my idea of a fun day experimenting :-) PSS - The Intel chips are 64-bit ready, otherwise they wouldn't run OS X Leopard! :-) On Oct 23, 2007, at 6:32 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On 10/23/07, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: Hello. I > have a simple question about the installation disc: it > didn't work on my iMac because it stuck on the second line with some > four letter word followed by 0C00. I'm not sure what that means, but > I think it is because it's trying to boot x86-32 when my iMac is > x86-64. Is there a separate installation disc for each processor > architecture? Thanks. > > Mac OS X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an > EFI related issue. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-23 22:36 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-23 22:40 ` David Leimbach 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2007-10-23 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1015 bytes --] On 10/23/07, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > > Exactly what issue I am having is unknown to me. Does anyone know any > place I can ask? > > PS - I originally wanted to install Plan 9 on my iMac but after that > didn't help (it froze at ELCR : 0C00 - not 0000) I wound up going to > my basement computer, a Dell Dimension 2400 with Edubuntu (a Linux > distro for educational purposes) and successfully installed and > initialized Plan 9 from Bell Labs. But the Broadcom chip thing and > having to go upstairs/downstairs is not my idea of a fun day > experimenting :-) Hmmm use drawterm from the Mac? I'm having no fun trying to get Plan 9 on VMWare Fusion either :-) > PSS - The Intel chips are 64-bit ready, otherwise they wouldn't run > OS X Leopard! :-) That's not true either. Early imacs, macbooks, and macbook pros weren't Core2Duos which means they're 32bit only. Leopard will support 32bit, 64bit Intel and PPC platforms within the last few years. Dave [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1773 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-23 22:32 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-23 22:36 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-23 22:40 ` Lyndon Nerenberg 2007-10-24 3:32 ` Bakul Shah 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2007-10-23 22:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On 2007-Oct-23, at 15:32 , David Leimbach wrote: > Mac OS X is still 32bit last I checked. That changes on Oct. 26 :-) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-23 22:32 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-23 22:36 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-10-23 22:40 ` Lyndon Nerenberg @ 2007-10-24 3:32 ` Bakul Shah 2007-10-24 16:30 ` David Leimbach 2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Bakul Shah @ 2007-10-24 3:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > Mac OS X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an EFI related > issue. MacOS X 10.4.9+ is already 64 bit capable, at least on the MacBook Pro $ sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string machdep.cpu.brand_string: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz $ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64 hw.optional.x86_64: 1 $ cat > ilp.c <EOF #include <stdio.h> int main(int c, char**v) { printf("i:%d l:%d ll:%d p:%d\n", sizeof(int), sizeof(long), sizeof(long long), sizeof(void*)); } EOF $ cc -m32 ilp.c -o ilp4 $ cc -m64 ilp.c -o ilp8 $ file ilp4 ilp8 ilp4: Mach-O executable i386 ilp8: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 $ ilp4 i:4 l:4 L:8 p:4 $ ilp8 i:4 l:8 L:8 p:8 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-24 3:32 ` Bakul Shah @ 2007-10-24 16:30 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-24 19:14 ` Pietro Gagliardi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2007-10-24 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1269 bytes --] On 10/23/07, Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com> wrote: > > > Mac OS X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an EFI > related > > issue. > > MacOS X 10.4.9+ is already 64 bit capable, at least on the > MacBook Pro > > $ sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string > machdep.cpu.brand_string: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ 2.16GHz > > $ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64 > hw.optional.x86_64: 1 > > $ cat > ilp.c <EOF > #include <stdio.h> > int main(int c, char**v) { > printf("i:%d l:%d ll:%d p:%d\n", > sizeof(int), sizeof(long), sizeof(long long), sizeof(void*)); > } > EOF > > $ cc -m32 ilp.c -o ilp4 > $ cc -m64 ilp.c -o ilp8 > > $ file ilp4 ilp8 > ilp4: Mach-O executable i386 > ilp8: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 > > $ ilp4 > i:4 l:4 L:8 p:4 > $ ilp8 > i:4 l:8 L:8 p:8 > it's increasingly offtopic but yes :-) The whole system is not 64bit end to end. Objective C and Cocoa aren't yet 64bit, and I've yet to fail to get alignment errors with certain C memory allocation functions on my MBP with Tiger. I hope it's all fixed Friday, not that I see me using 64bit apps too much, I don't think I have enough RAM, even if the extra registers give me a bit of a performance boost :-) Dave [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 1906 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-24 16:30 ` David Leimbach @ 2007-10-24 19:14 ` Pietro Gagliardi 2007-10-24 19:22 ` David Leimbach 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-24 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs OK, that's fine. So I still don't know what is wrong, but I'll try drawterm when I get Plan 9 up on the network (see my Broadcom emails; I'm buying a card soon) On Oct 24, 2007, at 12:30 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On 10/23/07, Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com> wrote: > Mac OS > X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an EFI related > > issue. > > MacOS X 10.4.9+ is already 64 bit capable, at least on the > MacBook Pro > > $ sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string > machdep.cpu.brand_string: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ > 2.16GHz > > $ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64 > hw.optional.x86_64: 1 > > $ cat > ilp.c <EOF > #include <stdio.h> > int main(int c, char**v) { > printf("i:%d l:%d ll:%d p:%d\n", > sizeof(int), sizeof(long), sizeof(long long), sizeof > (void*)); > } > EOF > > $ cc -m32 ilp.c -o ilp4 > $ cc -m64 ilp.c -o ilp8 > > $ file ilp4 ilp8 > ilp4: Mach-O executable i386 > ilp8: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 > > $ ilp4 > i:4 l:4 L:8 p:4 > $ ilp8 > i:4 l:8 L:8 p:8 > > it's increasingly offtopic but yes :-) > > The whole system is not 64bit end to end. Objective C and Cocoa > aren't yet 64bit, and I've yet to fail to get alignment errors with > certain C memory allocation functions on my MBP with Tiger. > > I hope it's all fixed Friday, not that I see me using 64bit apps > too much, I don't think I have enough RAM, even if the extra > registers give me a bit of a performance boost :-) > > Dave ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-24 19:14 ` Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-24 19:22 ` David Leimbach 2007-10-24 19:25 ` Pietro Gagliardi 0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread From: David Leimbach @ 2007-10-24 19:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1913 bytes --] On 10/24/07, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: > > OK, that's fine. So I still don't know what is wrong, but I'll try > drawterm when I get Plan 9 up on the network (see my Broadcom emails; > I'm buying a card soon) I gave up on graphics for VMWare Fusion Plan 9, going to resort to drawterm I think. However my venti is hanging and the CPU on my MBP is getting awfully fast on the first boot after install and I login with glenda. On Oct 24, 2007, at 12:30 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/23/07, Bakul Shah <bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com> wrote: > Mac OS > > X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an EFI related > > > issue. > > > > MacOS X 10.4.9+ is already 64 bit capable, at least on the > > MacBook Pro > > > > $ sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string > > machdep.cpu.brand_string: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ > > 2.16GHz > > > > $ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64 > > hw.optional.x86_64: 1 > > > > $ cat > ilp.c <EOF > > #include <stdio.h> > > int main(int c, char**v) { > > printf("i:%d l:%d ll:%d p:%d\n", > > sizeof(int), sizeof(long), sizeof(long long), sizeof > > (void*)); > > } > > EOF > > > > $ cc -m32 ilp.c -o ilp4 > > $ cc -m64 ilp.c -o ilp8 > > > > $ file ilp4 ilp8 > > ilp4: Mach-O executable i386 > > ilp8: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 > > > > $ ilp4 > > i:4 l:4 L:8 p:4 > > $ ilp8 > > i:4 l:8 L:8 p:8 > > > > it's increasingly offtopic but yes :-) > > > > The whole system is not 64bit end to end. Objective C and Cocoa > > aren't yet 64bit, and I've yet to fail to get alignment errors with > > certain C memory allocation functions on my MBP with Tiger. > > > > I hope it's all fixed Friday, not that I see me using 64bit apps > > too much, I don't think I have enough RAM, even if the extra > > registers give me a bit of a performance boost :-) > > > > Dave > > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2853 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question 2007-10-24 19:22 ` David Leimbach @ 2007-10-24 19:25 ` Pietro Gagliardi 0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Pietro Gagliardi @ 2007-10-24 19:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I was trying this out via Boot Camp, and it stuck before the CD menu even showed up. At least you got it booting! :-) On Oct 24, 2007, at 3:22 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On 10/24/07, Pietro Gagliardi <pietro10@mac.com> wrote: OK, that's > fine. So I still don't know what is wrong, but I'll try > drawterm when I get Plan 9 up on the network (see my Broadcom emails; > I'm buying a card soon) > > > I gave up on graphics for VMWare Fusion Plan 9, going to resort to > drawterm I think. However my venti is hanging and the CPU on my > MBP is getting awfully fast on the first boot after install and I > login with glenda. > > > On Oct 24, 2007, at 12:30 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > > > > > On 10/23/07, Bakul Shah < bakul+plan9@bitblocks.com> wrote: > Mac OS > > X is still 32bit last I checked. You're likely having an EFI > related > > > issue. > > > > MacOS X 10.4.9+ is already 64 bit capable, at least on the > > MacBook Pro > > > > $ sysctl machdep.cpu.brand_string > > machdep.cpu.brand_string: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7400 @ > > 2.16GHz > > > > $ sysctl hw.optional.x86_64 > > hw.optional.x86_64: 1 > > > > $ cat > ilp.c <EOF > > #include <stdio.h> > > int main(int c, char**v) { > > printf("i:%d l:%d ll:%d p:%d\n", > > sizeof(int), sizeof(long), sizeof(long long), sizeof > > (void*)); > > } > > EOF > > > > $ cc -m32 ilp.c -o ilp4 > > $ cc -m64 ilp.c -o ilp8 > > > > $ file ilp4 ilp8 > > ilp4: Mach-O executable i386 > > ilp8: Mach-O 64-bit executable x86_64 > > > > $ ilp4 > > i:4 l:4 L:8 p:4 > > $ ilp8 > > i:4 l:8 L:8 p:8 > > > > it's increasingly offtopic but yes :-) > > > > The whole system is not 64bit end to end. Objective C and Cocoa > > aren't yet 64bit, and I've yet to fail to get alignment errors with > > certain C memory allocation functions on my MBP with Tiger. > > > > I hope it's all fixed Friday, not that I see me using 64bit apps > > too much, I don't think I have enough RAM, even if the extra > > registers give me a bit of a performance boost :-) > > > > Dave > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
* [9fans] old things 2007-10-23 19:18 [9fans] Plan 9 installation disc question Pietro Gagliardi 2007-10-23 22:27 ` erik quanstrom 2007-10-23 22:32 ` David Leimbach @ 2007-10-24 10:18 ` Charles Forsyth 2 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2007-10-24 10:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans i thought a few others on the list might be interested in this one (unless you're Jeff Sengstack, who hated it) http://www.amazon.com/Core-Memory-Visual-Vintage-Computers/dp/0811854426/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-6107134-4632847?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180826552&sr=8-1 amazon's key phrases are a little odd: Key Phrases: core memory, Gene Amdahl, Defense Department, World War i see that it offers a unique description of the first production Google machine, too ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread
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