From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <509071940902021430i95a4eclbc8350611ff12a4b@mail.gmail.com> References: <1233612662.4412.387.camel@goose.sun.com> <5a592cf0c42ed2c9bea46e8ec31b12ed@quanstro.net> <509071940902021430i95a4eclbc8350611ff12a4b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 15:18:53 -0800 Message-ID: <3e1162e60902021518n2e04fd55xca863f92bb99f7c9@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e2d22d5d7f0461f7c705 Subject: Re: [9fans] Pegasus 2.6 is released Topicbox-Message-UUID: 92e365ba-ead4-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd2e2d22d5d7f0461f7c705 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > erik wrote: > > > it's interesting to compare this with the sleezy not-paths > > that e.g. gnome programs can take, like uris. great as long > > as long as you don't care to use anything but gnome tools. > > i had that debate with a kde-loving linux admin. i had been explaining > why plan 9 was interesting or significant, and he countered with the > kde example. i was marginally impressed by the number of protocols > they handled, but when i asked how you'd use it with cat and friends, > he said "no, just use kate". > > i reeled, stuttered, tried to get out something that sounded like > "layering violation", and ran away. it wasn't even a cost/benefit > argument; there wasn't any recognition of the costs. > > Right but when you consider KDE runs on windows, then it's not as much of a layering violation... no more than Java is I guess anyway. The layering violation that I usually point at is the /dev/tcp created by the bash shell :-). --000e0cd2e2d22d5d7f0461f7c705 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Anthony = Sorace <anothy@gma= il.com> wrote:
erik wrote:

> it's interesting to compare this with the sleezy not-paths
> that e.g. gnome programs can take, like uris.  great as long
> as long as you don't care to use anything but gnome tools.

i had that debate with a kde-loving linux admin. i had been explainin= g
why plan 9 was interesting or significant, and he countered with the
kde example. i was marginally impressed by the number of protocols
they handled, but when i asked how you'd use it with cat and friends, he said "no, just use kate".

i reeled, stuttered, tried to get out something that sounded like
"layering violation", and ran away. it wasn't even a cost/ben= efit
argument; there wasn't any recognition of the costs.

Right but when you consider KDE runs on windows, then it= 's not as much of a layering violation... no more than Java is I guess = anyway.

The layering violation that I usually point at i= s the /dev/tcp created by the bash shell :-).


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