From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <7d3530220908030909k3d25bbd7ofaf77cf1aaee55c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 15:15:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3e1162e60908031515te1b9d44i7763ca28e033ce79@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd30aaaadb99a0470441b2c Subject: Re: [9fans] An excerpt from Syllable's description Topicbox-Message-UUID: 36bc424c-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd30aaaadb99a0470441b2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is that not still based on NewOS? http://newos.org/ At least I think that's the kernel they were using for a while (I ran newOS briefly a long time ago "raw". It had enough stuff to get you to a shell and an irc client from a boot floppy IIRC) That was done by Travis Geiselbrecht who worked at Danger on the Sidekick phone for T-Mobile, helped get the iPhone bootstrapped at apple, and is now at Palm working on the Pre :-) Dave On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM, pmarin wrote: > I wonder if is possible that underground operating systems like Haiku, > Aros or Plan9 should share some kind of knowledge database (not only > the source code) about drivers implementation and don't try to > reinvent the wheel. Haiku seems to do a great job, for example their > network drivers are taken from Freebsd, the sound drivers from OSS4, > etc. > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, John Floren wrote: > > Why do we have to care about every self-righteous pronouncement from > > every minor project out there? Why should we have to put everything > > into a "Plan 9 context"? > > > > If you want to relate Plan 9 to Syllable, look at their forums--it > > seems to have the same sort of problems as Plan 9. Lacking in drivers > > (a quick look showed that they don't have PCMCIA, WLAN, or PPP > > support), new users coming in expecting it to be like other operating > > systems (I'm looking at you, Balwinder) or trolls calling it dead, and > > in general an apparent lack of people writing programs for it. > > Syllable looks to be POSIX-compliant (I think) which is probably how > > they have Quake most of the other ported programs. > > > > John > > > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Balwinder S > > Dheeman wrote: > >> Computer scientists will tell you that their operating systems and tools > >> are fine, because they like them to be complex. Companies will tell you > >> that their machines or devices are fine, because they like to control > >> them by hiding requisite device specifications and, or applications > >> notes, even though you own them. Yet, some people remember a few > >> machines from decades ago that were different. They got run over in the > >> gold rush, but they proved that it is possible to build much more > >> helpful machines. And if it was possible then, it is certainly possible > >> now, because the hardware that computers are built from has become much > >> more powerful. It's the software that is often not working in the > >> interest of the owner. In the /Syllable/ project, we are using this > >> power to help the owner instead of the scientists and the big companies. > >> > >> Please comment the above in a Plan 9 context. > >> -- > >> Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman Registered Linux User: #229709 > >> Anu'z Linux@HOME (Unix Shoppe) Machines: #168573, 170593, 259192 > >> Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India Plan9, T2, Arch/Debian/FreeBSD/XP > >> Home: http://werc.homelinux.net/ Visit: http://counter.li.org/ > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" -- Rob Pike > > > > > > --000e0cd30aaaadb99a0470441b2c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is that not still based on NewOS? =A0


At least I think= that's the kernel they were using for a while (I ran newOS briefly a l= ong time ago "raw". =A0It had enough stuff to get you to a shell = and an irc client from a boot floppy IIRC)

That was done by Travis Geiselbrecht who=A0worked=A0at= =A0Danger=A0on=A0the=A0Sidekick=A0phone=A0for=A0T-Mobile,=A0helped=A0get=A0= the=A0iPhone=A0bootstrapped=A0at=A0apple,=A0and=A0is=A0now=A0at=A0Palm=A0wo= rking=A0on=A0the=A0Pre=A0:-)

Dave

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:29 PM= , pmarin <pacoge= ek@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder if is possible that underground operating systems like Haiku,
Aros or Plan9 should share some kind of knowledge database (not only
the source code) about drivers implementation and don't try to
reinvent the wheel. Haiku seems to do a great job, for example their
network drivers are taken from Freebsd, the sound drivers from OSS4,
etc.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 6:09 PM, John Floren<slawmaster@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why do we have to care about every self-righteous pronouncement from > every minor project out there? Why should we have to put everything > into a "Plan 9 context"?
>
> If you want to relate Plan 9 to Syllable, look at their forums--it
> seems to have the same sort of problems as Plan 9. Lacking in drivers<= br> > (a quick look showed that they don't have PCMCIA, WLAN, or PPP
> support), new users coming in expecting it to be like other operating<= br> > systems (I'm looking at you, Balwinder) or trolls calling it dead,= and
> in general an apparent lack of people writing programs for it.
> Syllable looks to be POSIX-compliant (I think) which is probably how > they have Quake most of the other ported programs.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Balwinder S
> Dheeman<bsd.SANSPA= M@cto.homelinux.net> wrote:
>> Computer scientists will tell you that their operating systems and= tools
>> are fine, because they like them to be complex. Companies will tel= l you
>> that their machines or devices are fine, because they like to cont= rol
>> them by hiding requisite device specifications and, or application= s
>> notes, even though you own them. Yet, some people remember a few >> machines from decades ago that were different. They got run over i= n the
>> gold rush, but they proved that it is possible to build much more<= br> >> helpful machines. And if it was possible then, it is certainly pos= sible
>> now, because the hardware that computers are built from has become= much
>> more powerful. It's the software that is often not working in = the
>> interest of the owner. In the /Syllable/ project, we are using thi= s
>> power to help the owner instead of the scientists and the big comp= anies.
>>
>> Please comment the above in a Plan 9 context.
>> --
>> Balwinder S "bdheeman" Dheeman =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Registered= Linux User: #229709
>> Anu'z Linux@HOME (Unix Shoppe) =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Machines: #16857= 3, 170593, 259192
>> Chandigarh, UT, 160062, India =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Plan9, T2, Arch/Debi= an/FreeBSD/XP
>> Home: htt= p://werc.homelinux.net/ =A0 =A0 =A0Visit: http://counter.li.org/
>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> "Object-oriented design is the roman numerals of computing" = -- Rob Pike
>
>


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