From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5C4D0696-0464-407B-AB72-71CE0371C302@storytotell.org> References: <20090807140626.1c57db77.eekee57@fastmail.fm> <5C4D0696-0464-407B-AB72-71CE0371C302@storytotell.org> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 07:44:31 -0700 Message-ID: <3e1162e60908080744u7ebdb566md4089d5d2b12f17f@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5d0b4f9a9fe0470a263a6 Subject: Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ... Topicbox-Message-UUID: 3e88f4fc-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd5d0b4f9a9fe0470a263a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote= : > > On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > X11 isn't a desktop, it tries very hard not to define a look and feel, b= ut >> it has to include inter-app communications to support the supposedly >> desirable drag & drop as well as any copy/paste beyond plain text. In fa= ct >> my big beef with dbus is that everything is all hot-all-over about dbus = when >> it needs to be using X IPC. >> > > > My beef is that they were hot-all-over CORBA not too long ago. I expect i= n > another three years nobody will be using D-Bus, they'll be using some new > layer that sits on top of it... ad nauseam. Outside Plan 9 I don't see > anyone solving two problems with one technology; instead, they're just > solving one problem and introducing a new one. Yeah they were hot on CORBA, and KDE folks were doing DCOP, which was derived from some X11 ICE thing... Neither of them was that great, and somehow they've both come back to DBUS. I don't honestly know the rhyme or reason for any of it. Anyone who though= t CORBA was the answer didn't seem to understand the question. > > > =97 > Daniel Lyons > > > --000e0cd5d0b4f9a9fe0470a263a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Daniel = Lyons <fusio= n@storytotell.org> wrote:

On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:

X11 isn't a desktop, it tries very hard not to define a look and feel, = but it has to include inter-app communications to support the supposedly de= sirable drag & drop as well as any copy/paste beyond plain text. In fac= t my big beef with dbus is that everything is all hot-all-over about dbus w= hen it needs to be using X IPC.


My beef is that they were hot-all-over CORBA not too long ago. I expect in = another three years nobody will be using D-Bus, they'll be using some n= ew layer that sits on top of it... ad nauseam. Outside Plan 9 I don't s= ee anyone solving two problems with one technology; instead, they're ju= st solving one problem and introducing a new one.

Yeah they were hot on CORBA, and KDE folks were doing D= COP, which was derived from some X11 ICE thing... Neither of them was that = great, and somehow they've both come back to DBUS.

I don't honestly know the rhyme or reason for any of it. =A0Anyone= who thought CORBA was the answer didn't seem to understand the questio= n.
=A0


=97
Daniel Lyons



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