On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:52 AM, erik quanstrom <quanstro@quanstro.net> wrote:

> Now, Plan 9's kernel is pretty old too, isn't it?

that's the point. age is a red herring.

> What has saved other 'popular' kernels from this? For instance, no body

> ever complains about FreeBSD being a complex cluster, but it has

> pretty wide adoption (even as a 'desktop'). What about OS X? Has
> Apple's arrogance and secrecy saved it from.... open source
> development? It seems like they release code only after they are damn
> sure they've gotten all they can out of it.

so you're saying that osx is not complicated?

I think Mach makes me go cross-eyed. It's not at all what it was meant to be. Wedging that stuff in with IOKit and BSD stuff makes me feel lost, and yes I've hacked on XNU, the hybrid beast that it is, and run Mac OS X on my own kernels.

- erik