From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <4AB22CC9.1090201@0x6a.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:02:48 -0700 Message-ID: <3e1162e60909170902o1c429613ke60ed563fde1cce7@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5cad095fa8f0473c8252f Subject: Re: [9fans] fun quote Topicbox-Message-UUID: 70e28daa-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd5cad095fa8f0473c8252f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:52 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Now, Plan 9's kernel is pretty old too, isn't it? > > that's the point. age is a red herring. > > > What has saved other 'popular' kernels from this? For instance, no body > > ever complains about FreeBSD being a complex cluster, but it has > > pretty wide adoption (even as a 'desktop'). What about OS X? Has > > Apple's arrogance and secrecy saved it from.... open source > > development? It seems like they release code only after they are damn > > sure they've gotten all they can out of it. > > so you're saying that osx is not complicated? > I think Mach makes me go cross-eyed. It's not at all what it was meant to be. Wedging that stuff in with IOKit and BSD stuff makes me feel lost, and yes I've hacked on XNU, the hybrid beast that it is, and run Mac OS X on my own kernels. > > - erik > > --000e0cd5cad095fa8f0473c8252f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:52 AM, erik qu= anstrom <quan= stro@quanstro.net> wrote:
> Now, Plan 9's kernel is pretty old too, isn'= t it?

that's the point. =A0age is a red herring.

> What has saved other 'popular' kernels from this? =A0For insta= nce, no body
> ever complains about FreeBSD being a complex cluster, but it has=
> pretty wide adoption (even as a 'desktop'). = =A0What about OS X? =A0Has
> Apple's arrogance and secrecy saved it from.... =A0open source
> development? =A0It seems like they release code only after they are da= mn
> sure they've gotten all they can out of it.

so you're saying that osx is not complicated?

I think Mach makes me go cross-eyed. =A0It's not at al= l what it was meant to be. =A0Wedging that stuff in with IOKit and BSD stuf= f makes me feel lost, and yes I've hacked on XNU, the hybrid beast that= it is, and run Mac OS X on my own kernels.
=A0

- erik


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