From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4AB255FA.3040902@0x6a.com> References: <4AB255FA.3040902@0x6a.com> Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:05:35 -0700 Message-ID: <3e1162e60909170905w7912efcbk2b549a2174dea437@mail.gmail.com> From: David Leimbach To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b3ae8cce3b0473c82f61 Subject: Re: [9fans] fun quote Topicbox-Message-UUID: 70dbc1d2-ead5-11e9-9d60-3106f5b1d025 --000e0cd6b3ae8cce3b0473c82f61 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Jack Norton wrote: > erik quanstrom wrote: > >> Now, Plan 9's kernel is pretty old too, isn't it? >>> >>> >> >> that's the point. age is a red herring. >> >> >> >>> What has saved other 'popular' kernels from this? For instance, no body >>> ever complains about FreeBSD being a complex cluster, but it has pretty wide >>> adoption (even as a 'desktop'). What about OS X? Has Apple's arrogance and >>> secrecy saved it from.... open source development? It seems like they >>> release code only after they are damn sure they've gotten all they can out >>> of it. >>> >> >> so you're saying that osx is not complicated? >> >> - erik >> >> >> > No, no, it is, what I mean is that I haven't heard similar sentiments > towards the open source released by Apple. Apple's 'open source' is > software that is developed in a closed source fashion, then released as > open source when the time is right, as opposed to Linux and related > software, which are developed, almost from the ground up, as open source. > This is the impression I get anyway. > -Jack > > As a former member of the OpenDarwin project, I can tell you your impression of Apple's open source is pretty correct. They like to share the source, and people are allowed to port things they do to other platforms, and submit patches and stuff gets into the mainline (like FreeBSD support for libdispatch and such seems like it's going to). Or you can just fork it and make your own thing, but they're goal is probably the wider code review that the community offers more so than sharing and being a nice open source community member. It is nice that they've started licensing some stuff under Apache instead of some of their other licenses of the past, however I really feel Apple's open source is more of a one-way street. Dave --000e0cd6b3ae8cce3b0473c82f61 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Jack No= rton <jack@0x6a.com> wrote:
erik quanstrom wrote:
Now, Plan 9's kernel is pretty old too, isn't it?
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that's the point. =A0age is a red herring.

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What has saved other 'popular' kernels from this? =A0For instance, = no body ever complains about FreeBSD being a complex cluster, but it has pr= etty wide adoption (even as a 'desktop'). =A0What about OS X? =A0Ha= s Apple's arrogance and secrecy saved it from.... =A0open source develo= pment? =A0It seems like they release code only after they are damn sure the= y've gotten all they can out of it. =A0 =A0

so you're saying that osx is not complicated?

- erik

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No, no, it is, what I mean is that I haven't heard similar sentiments t= owards the open source released by Apple. =A0 Apple's =A0'open sour= ce' =A0is =A0software that is developed in a closed source fashion, the= n released as open source when the time is right, as opposed to Linux and r= elated software, which are developed, almost from the ground up, as open so= urce. =A0This is the impression I get anyway.
-Jack

As a former member of the OpenDarwin project, I c= an tell you your impression of Apple's open source is pretty correct. = =A0They like to share the source, and people are allowed to port things the= y do to other platforms, and submit patches and stuff gets into the mainlin= e (like FreeBSD support for libdispatch and such seems like it's going = to). =A0Or you can just fork it and make your own thing, but they're go= al is probably the wider code review that the community offers more so than= sharing and being a nice open source community member.

It is nice that they've started licensing some stuff und= er Apache instead of some of their other licenses of the past, however I re= ally feel Apple's open source is more of a one-way street.

Dave


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