From: Wesley Parish <wes.parish@paradise.net.nz>
To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu
Subject: Re: [9fans] The new ridiculous license
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:41:59 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3gXLa.2084$9f7.195444@news02.tsnz.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200306171652.h5HGqLEw016681@cvs.openbsd.org>
Theo de Raadt wrote:
> It's too difficult for me to explain in full details how much of this
> license is not acceptable to us. But it clearly is not acceptable to
> us.
>
> We have an entire operating system (minus a touch of GPL and LGPL here
> and there, one sendmail license, and a few smatterings of Artistic)
> that has NO CONTRACTS -- every license is simply "copyright law term
> dismissal + warranty disclaimer". That is free; these licenses make
> no new requirements of anyone; they do not require or re-state
> anything that is already the way it is. The BSD licenses we have
> simply take rights granted by copyright law to the author, and they
> serve to allow the author to give up all of those rights (except the
> copyright law right to be known as the author). These licenses ask
> for nothing in return; they do not even restate anything that another
> law might make a problem -- because there is no need to state it!
>
> We can't accept this license as it is. I note your meeting notes said
> that a goal had been to allow OpenBSD to use parts from this (in
> particular we were interested in the c compiler). I think someone did
> not listen to us, or understand what a BSD-licensed operating system
> has as a goal -- as this is, the plan9 components are now no more free
> for us to use than they were weeks ago.
>
> sure; you have a new license. That will be good for some people. Too
> bad it does not go far enough for the needs of a BSD licensed system.
> It's just incompatible. It would be the most onerous license in our
> tree (well there is the GPL, but year by year we remove and replace
> more and more GPL software in our tree... we had hoped to replace the
> c compiler in the long term with a free one...)
If gcc a.k.a. the c compiler's a problem, why not take this one and run with
it:
http://www.tendra.org/
"In case you are already wondering, TenDRA is a BSD-licensed C compiler,
with C++ STL support forthcoming. The original Crown copyright from DERA is
still present and the further expansion of TenDRA is BSDL'd."
It's reportedly a very high quality one.
Wesley Parish
--
First the wife, tone of awe. So much a condition. Kent in the labs, fast
forward. "So how was the worthlessful businessman?" But they hadn't
stopped meat for year ago, that arose hotel facade slowly moved apper.
- Don't let emacs meta-x dissociatedpress write your speeches!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-07-03 9:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-06-17 16:52 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:10 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-17 18:26 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-18 8:58 ` ozan s yigit
2003-06-18 14:52 ` Dan Cross
2003-07-03 9:41 ` Wesley Parish [this message]
2003-07-03 17:29 ` D. Brownlee
2003-07-03 17:51 ` [9fans] The new OK license D. Brownlee
2003-07-07 11:45 ` Wesley Parish
2003-07-07 14:08 ` D. Brownlee
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-07-09 3:33 [9fans] The new ridiculous license A. Baker
2003-07-11 1:41 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-20 14:39 Richard C Bilson
2003-06-20 9:30 Andrew Simmons
2003-06-19 19:59 Scott Schwartz
2003-06-19 20:08 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 19:24 ot
2003-06-19 19:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 19:56 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 18:13 ot
2003-06-19 18:19 ` David Presotto
2003-06-20 8:39 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-19 18:50 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 18:55 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 9:34 Keith Nash
2003-06-19 13:51 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 13:54 ` David Presotto
2003-06-19 14:09 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 16:44 ` Erik Terpstra
2003-06-19 17:13 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 17:35 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-19 17:52 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 21:33 ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-20 14:05 ` Jason Gurtz
2003-06-20 14:08 ` Lucio De Re
2003-06-20 14:30 ` Jason Gurtz
2003-06-19 21:34 ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-19 23:19 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20 1:52 ` George Michaelson
2003-06-20 2:32 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-06-20 2:40 ` Geoff Collyer
2003-06-20 6:55 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20 2:56 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-06-20 2:43 ` Stephen Wynne
2003-06-20 6:54 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20 7:05 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-23 8:56 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-23 15:22 ` rog
2003-06-20 8:20 ` John Murdie
2003-06-20 15:31 ` splite
2003-06-20 17:24 ` John Murdie
2003-06-19 17:51 ` David Presotto
2003-06-19 18:15 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-19 20:14 ` ron minnich
2003-06-23 8:58 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-20 5:01 ` Lucio De Re
2003-06-18 9:34 Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 14:45 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-18 14:48 ` andrey mirtchovski
2003-06-18 16:21 ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 15:41 ` Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 16:32 ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 17:12 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-18 16:22 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-18 17:09 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-20 7:52 ` Markus Friedl
2003-06-18 18:40 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-18 20:25 ` ron minnich
2003-06-18 21:01 ` rob pike, esq.
2003-06-18 21:04 ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-18 21:02 ` boyd, rounin
[not found] <42999790ecb672f64d9fe046cb284a9d@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2003-06-17 21:56 ` Donald Brownlee
2003-06-17 18:45 presotto
2003-06-17 18:18 David Presotto
2003-06-17 18:01 David Presotto
2003-06-18 2:55 ` Andrey S. Kukhar
[not found] <cf335ed380f1abb103f54acc1a307830@plan9.bell-labs.com>
2003-06-17 17:33 ` Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:09 David Presotto
2003-06-17 16:38 Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 17:13 ` David Presotto
2003-06-17 17:50 ` Damian Gerow
2003-06-17 17:57 ` Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 18:07 ` Damian Gerow
2003-06-17 16:04 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 17:02 ` C H Forsyth
2003-06-17 18:15 ` Charles Forsyth
2003-06-17 18:38 ` Tom Glinos
2003-06-17 17:46 ` Russ Cox, rsc
2003-06-17 21:27 ` Tom Glinos
2003-06-17 18:13 ` Donald Brownlee
2003-06-17 20:39 ` northern snowfall
2003-06-17 21:19 ` northern snowfall
2003-06-18 10:11 ` matt
2003-06-17 10:28 Theo de Raadt
2003-06-17 20:49 ` boyd, rounin
2003-06-17 21:01 ` David Presotto
2003-06-17 21:26 ` Jack Johnson
2003-06-17 21:28 ` Dan Cross
2003-06-20 12:31 ` Ralph Corderoy
2003-06-20 12:57 ` matt
2003-06-23 8:56 ` Douglas A. Gwyn
2003-06-23 9:02 ` Anthony Mandic
2003-06-23 14:45 ` Jack Johnson
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