From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu From: Wesley Parish Message-ID: <3gXLa.2084$9f7.195444@news02.tsnz.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit References: <200306171652.h5HGqLEw016681@cvs.openbsd.org> Subject: Re: [9fans] The new ridiculous license Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 09:41:59 +0000 Topicbox-Message-UUID: e66d7d14-eacb-11e9-9e20-41e7f4b1d025 Theo de Raadt wrote: > It's too difficult for me to explain in full details how much of this > license is not acceptable to us. But it clearly is not acceptable to > us. > > We have an entire operating system (minus a touch of GPL and LGPL here > and there, one sendmail license, and a few smatterings of Artistic) > that has NO CONTRACTS -- every license is simply "copyright law term > dismissal + warranty disclaimer". That is free; these licenses make > no new requirements of anyone; they do not require or re-state > anything that is already the way it is. The BSD licenses we have > simply take rights granted by copyright law to the author, and they > serve to allow the author to give up all of those rights (except the > copyright law right to be known as the author). These licenses ask > for nothing in return; they do not even restate anything that another > law might make a problem -- because there is no need to state it! > > We can't accept this license as it is. I note your meeting notes said > that a goal had been to allow OpenBSD to use parts from this (in > particular we were interested in the c compiler). I think someone did > not listen to us, or understand what a BSD-licensed operating system > has as a goal -- as this is, the plan9 components are now no more free > for us to use than they were weeks ago. > > sure; you have a new license. That will be good for some people. Too > bad it does not go far enough for the needs of a BSD licensed system. > It's just incompatible. It would be the most onerous license in our > tree (well there is the GPL, but year by year we remove and replace > more and more GPL software in our tree... we had hoped to replace the > c compiler in the long term with a free one...) If gcc a.k.a. the c compiler's a problem, why not take this one and run with it: http://www.tendra.org/ "In case you are already wondering, TenDRA is a BSD-licensed C compiler, with C++ STL support forthcoming. The original Crown copyright from DERA is still present and the further expansion of TenDRA is BSDL'd." It's reportedly a very high quality one. Wesley Parish -- First the wife, tone of awe. So much a condition. Kent in the labs, fast forward. "So how was the worthlessful businessman?" But they hadn't stopped meat for year ago, that arose hotel facade slowly moved apper. - Don't let emacs meta-x dissociatedpress write your speeches!