From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] alright, this should be interesting
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:09:57 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <41764785.7040706@anvil.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.58.0410191746410.12265@malasada.lava.net>
<WARNING>
Contains an analogy in severely bad taste at the end: don't read the
last part if likely to be offended by it.
</WARNING>
Tim,
> > You are missing the point of what I said:
> I must be, because I still dont agree with your point.
OK, let me try again ...
Firstly, the existence of this thread is partial proof of my point:
we wouldn't be having this discussion at all if gcc/linux/... didn't exist.
>>In other words, if you have a crufty kernel, you'll have a smelly
>>compiler,
>>and vice-versa.
>>
>>
>
>Why? You could build a fresh smelling compiler like 8c/8a/8l.
>
>
<shout tone="frustrated">BUT THEY DIDN'T!!!</shout>
They built g-goddamned-cc,
and I almost weep when I think what the million monkeys who committed
that particular crime against code
could have done if they'd been given some education in style, taste etc.
Bad examples lead to more badness:
if you stare at crap for long enough, you start to think that crap is
the One True Way.
>but.. if you were to go in to work one day and found that some
>linux (*bsd, slolaris, win32, etc..) box that you used on a daily
>basis was running a plan9 emulation layer that was running rio,
>acme, 9p and the whole shebang, how would it matter to you what
>was under the covers?
>
>
Well, firstly, it would matter intrinsically because I am a decent human
being who wants to eliminate suffering,
and whoever had built your emulation layer would either be
a) (worst case scenario) banging their head against the wall of a padded
cell or,
b) (probable best case scenario) wandering around saying things like:
"Well, the SmackMyIoVecUp() call with the optional
BarbedWireandCatONineTails option is not so bad, really, when you get
used to it",
and then I'd have to kill them, which would ruin their whole day.
Yes, I know that Really Clever People (many of whom will read this) can
build Really Good Systems on top of crud,
but the fact is that, in the general case, People Don't: they build
bigger piles of Crap.
Neither does the existence of the Good Stuff somehow improve, or excuse
the existence of, the underlying Crap.
Does one small Good Thing somehow ameliorate the existence of loads of
Bad Things?
And now, sorry in advance, but it's That Time of Year ...
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
<tasteless-hitler-analogy>
"Yes, I know Hitler was responsible for the murder of your paternal
grandparents,
but, hey, the Communists burned down the bier-keller just after he
spoke there, so that was Really Cool, right?!"
</tasteless-hitler-analogy>
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Sorry.
DaveL.
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Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-10-05 17:36 andrey mirtchovski
2004-10-06 1:07 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-10-06 1:25 ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-10-06 5:25 ` geoff
2004-10-06 7:52 ` C H Forsyth
2004-10-18 16:05 ` Leo Caves
2004-10-19 2:50 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-10-19 15:44 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-19 15:57 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-19 19:45 ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-19 21:22 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-19 22:47 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-10-19 23:39 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 3:25 ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-20 9:46 ` Steve Simon
2004-10-20 14:20 ` Russ Cox
2004-10-20 19:47 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-20 20:29 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-20 20:41 ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-21 1:31 ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-21 16:19 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-19 23:17 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 4:01 ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-20 4:19 ` Russ Cox
2004-10-20 4:27 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-10-20 6:23 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2004-10-20 7:36 ` Nigel Roles
2004-10-20 11:20 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 12:36 ` Nigel Roles
2004-10-20 13:45 ` Brantley Coile
2004-10-24 5:33 ` Dan Cross
2004-10-24 11:53 ` Tiit Lankots
2004-10-24 13:44 ` Brantley Coile
2004-10-25 11:23 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 17:06 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2004-10-22 7:12 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-22 19:02 ` Jason Gurtz
2004-10-23 1:27 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 18:40 ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-20 20:16 ` Nigel Roles
2004-10-20 20:46 ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-20 19:59 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-20 20:02 ` Russ Cox
2004-10-20 20:05 ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2004-10-20 20:25 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-10-20 20:48 ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-21 18:36 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-21 4:47 ` William Josephson
2004-10-20 20:44 ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-23 18:54 ` Dan Cross
2004-10-20 11:13 ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 11:09 ` Dave Lukes [this message]
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