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From: Dave Lukes <davel@anvil.com>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] alright, this should be interesting
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:12:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4178B2ED.6070409@anvil.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16c92c57f1d27fe3631417e7279cf6a4@9netics.com>

 > Moral relativism doesn't apply to ugly code (and cannibalism).

<applause level="deafening"/>

>>Are you telling me that Google would be demonstrably better
>>built on Plan 9? I can't see that, and nor would any of
>>their customers, because the kernel is hidden from view.
>>    
>>
>
>Better and different.  They could do things that they can't do
>(easily) now.  When you multiply not-easy by a large number, it
>becomes an impossibility.
>
Yes!!!!!
Also, even if it's not impossible, no-one with any taste wants to get 
involved:
I _could_ contribute to Linux, but there's no way I can be bothered to 
even look at the code,
far less contribute, because a red mist descends ASA I even look at the 
directory structure.

>  And yes, there would be a
>practical problem of building Plan9 administrative expertise -- mostly
>a mater of time.
>  
>
Well, actually ...

>>Most users in the world don't see the code, and don't care
>>about it's uglyness. They care whether something works and is
>>easy to use.
>>    
>>
... and interestingly, speaking as an SA, NEITHER DO THE SAs!
They are users too:
you give them a set of tools to reboot a server, offline a disk in a 
RAID array, check the length of a mail queue ...

it's only the "developers" (of the kernel/apps, ...) who really care 
about any of the underlying stuff.

DaveL.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-22  7:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-10-05 17:36 andrey mirtchovski
2004-10-06  1:07 ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-10-06  1:25   ` andrey mirtchovski
2004-10-06  5:25     ` geoff
2004-10-06  7:52   ` C H Forsyth
2004-10-18 16:05     ` Leo Caves
2004-10-19  2:50       ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-10-19 15:44         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-19 15:57           ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-19 19:45             ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-19 21:22               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-19 22:47                 ` Charles Forsyth
2004-10-19 23:39                   ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20  3:25                 ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-20  9:46                   ` Steve Simon
2004-10-20 14:20                     ` Russ Cox
2004-10-20 19:47                   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-20 20:29                     ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-20 20:41                     ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-21  1:31                     ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-21 16:19                       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-19 23:17               ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20  4:01                 ` Tim Newsham
2004-10-20  4:19                   ` Russ Cox
2004-10-20  4:27                     ` Kenji Okamoto
2004-10-20  6:23                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2004-10-20  7:36                       ` Nigel Roles
2004-10-20 11:20                         ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 12:36                           ` Nigel Roles
2004-10-20 13:45                             ` Brantley Coile
2004-10-24  5:33                               ` Dan Cross
2004-10-24 11:53                                 ` Tiit Lankots
2004-10-24 13:44                                   ` Brantley Coile
2004-10-25 11:23                                     ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 17:06                         ` Skip Tavakkolian
2004-10-22  7:12                           ` Dave Lukes [this message]
2004-10-22 19:02                             ` Jason Gurtz
2004-10-23  1:27                               ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 18:40                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-20 20:16                           ` Nigel Roles
2004-10-20 20:46                             ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-20 19:59                       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2004-10-20 20:02                         ` Russ Cox
2004-10-20 20:05                           ` Eric Van Hensbergen
2004-10-20 20:25                           ` Charles Forsyth
2004-10-20 20:48                             ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-21 18:36                             ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-21  4:47                           ` William Josephson
2004-10-20 20:44                         ` boyd, rounin
2004-10-23 18:54                           ` Dan Cross
2004-10-20 11:13                     ` Dave Lukes
2004-10-20 11:09                   ` Dave Lukes

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