* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice?
@ 2005-01-05 8:07 Aharon Robbins
2005-01-05 8:17 ` Tiit Lankots
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0 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread
From: Aharon Robbins @ 2005-01-05 8:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> > Anyone care to recommend a wireless 3-button USB mouse?
>
> yikes. wireless is a pain unless you have enough power to
> drive it, say WiFi or proximity cards.
I don't understand this. These things are little receivers you plug
into a USB port and the mouse has 2 batteries in it (either AA or AAA).
The ranges vary from 3 feet to 3 meters.
Prices range from ~ $US 8 to ~ $ US 70 ! I'm willing to spend
up to about $20 on a mouse, but I'd like to know that I'm getting
something that will still be working after two years or so.
Thanks,
Arnold
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* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-05 8:07 [9fans] wireless USB mice? Aharon Robbins @ 2005-01-05 8:17 ` Tiit Lankots 2005-01-05 14:08 ` boyd, rounin 2005-01-05 14:05 ` boyd, rounin 2005-01-05 20:03 ` [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Tiit Lankots @ 2005-01-05 8:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 10:07:26 +0200, Aharon Robbins <arnold@skeeve.com> wrote: >> > Anyone care to recommend a wireless 3-button USB mouse? >> >> yikes. wireless is a pain unless you have enough power to >> drive it, say WiFi or proximity cards. > > I don't understand this. These things are little receivers you plug > into a USB port and the mouse has 2 batteries in it (either AA or AAA). > The ranges vary from 3 feet to 3 meters. I -think- what Boyd meant was that "Thou shalt beware of USB power." You're _supposed_ to have +5V, but many hubs are just plain crap. I've seen USB on the mainboard that was crap. But yes, the mice have autonomous power. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-05 8:17 ` Tiit Lankots @ 2005-01-05 14:08 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2005-01-05 14:08 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > I -think- what Boyd meant was that "Thou shalt beware of USB power." > You're _supposed_ to have +5V, but many hubs are just plain crap. i didn't mean that and now i've learnt another thing i _really_ didn't want to know. can't they get _anything_ right? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-05 8:07 [9fans] wireless USB mice? Aharon Robbins 2005-01-05 8:17 ` Tiit Lankots @ 2005-01-05 14:05 ` boyd, rounin 2005-01-05 14:15 ` Tiit Lankots 2005-01-05 20:03 ` [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2005-01-05 14:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > I don't understand this. These things are little receivers you plug > into a USB port and the mouse has 2 batteries in it (either AA or AAA). > The ranges vary from 3 feet to 3 meters. i know that. i used to fight with one a lot [corporate policy] because a) it needed batteries and b) the choice of NiMh [1.2V] rechargables was made. i really don't like things that run on batteries when you have other choices. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-05 14:05 ` boyd, rounin @ 2005-01-05 14:15 ` Tiit Lankots 2005-01-06 12:47 ` Bruce Ellis 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Tiit Lankots @ 2005-01-05 14:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > i know that. i used to fight with one a lot [corporate policy] because > a) it needed batteries and b) the choice of NiMh [1.2V] rechargables > was made. i really don't like things that run on batteries when you > have other choices. I quickly learned to put it in the nifty rechanger when I left my desk. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-05 14:15 ` Tiit Lankots @ 2005-01-06 12:47 ` Bruce Ellis 2005-01-06 18:01 ` Charles Forsyth 2005-01-07 0:22 ` [9fans] wireless USB mice? Adrian Tritschler 0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2005-01-06 12:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs it get's worse (and seeing the huge selection of USB crap that i could buy at the *post office* today i undertsand why it is the most abused "standard" i've ever encountered), i recently purchased a belkin micro-hub which has problems with current distribution and an older hub which doesn't seem to understand much at all about what it should be doing. brucee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-06 12:47 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2005-01-06 18:01 ` Charles Forsyth 2005-01-13 22:26 ` [9fans] Ping? Bob Hartley 2005-01-07 0:22 ` [9fans] wireless USB mice? Adrian Tritschler 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-06 18:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: bruce.ellis, 9fans >>t get's worse (and seeing the huge selection of USB crap >>that i could buy at the *post office* today i undertsand why >>it is the most abused "standard" i've ever encountered), we fixed that here by closing as many post offices as possible. >>i recently purchased a belkin micro-hub which has problems which one is that? my new `tetra hub' seems to be working for testing purposes, but i've found a few problems elsewhere. i'm reading up on OHCI before i get stuck in. or given past history with USB, just stuck. still, it should be more fun in my spare time than WS-Rubbish or WS-Insanity, especially since unlike them it allows something useful to go. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Ping? 2005-01-06 18:01 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-13 22:26 ` Bob Hartley 2005-01-13 23:22 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Bob Hartley @ 2005-01-13 22:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Quiet on my end for a week. Did I miss something? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Ping? 2005-01-13 22:26 ` [9fans] Ping? Bob Hartley @ 2005-01-13 23:22 ` andrey mirtchovski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: andrey mirtchovski @ 2005-01-13 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Quiet on my end for a week. > > Did I miss something? you should check the archives. the list has been active, if that is indeed your question :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-06 12:47 ` Bruce Ellis 2005-01-06 18:01 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-07 0:22 ` Adrian Tritschler 2005-01-07 0:49 ` Bruce Ellis ` (3 more replies) 1 sibling, 4 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Adrian Tritschler @ 2005-01-07 0:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Bruce Ellis wrote: > it get's worse (and seeing the huge selection of USB crap > that i could buy at the *post office* today i undertsand why > it is the most abused "standard" i've ever encountered), You object to a USB powered rechargable toothbrush? Or the USB "personal massager"? http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/41ddd6410e3c092a273fc0a87f9c06b2/Product/View/XH6192 > i recently purchased a belkin micro-hub which has problems > with current distribution and an older hub which doesn't seem > to understand much at all about what it should be doing. *sigh* I've got two memory stick things, a T21 with one USB port, and a USB hub that can be powered or unpowered. One of the memory sticks only works if the hub is powered, the other only works if it is unpowered. Either works if plugged directly into the T21. Plan9 reference? I can't seem to get either of them to work with plan9. (probably operator error) > brucee Adrian --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:ajft@ajft.org Latitude 38°S, Longitude 145°E, Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44 --------------------------------------------------------------- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 0:22 ` [9fans] wireless USB mice? Adrian Tritschler @ 2005-01-07 0:49 ` Bruce Ellis 2005-01-07 1:07 ` Charles Forsyth ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Bruce Ellis @ 2005-01-07 0:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > You object to a USB powered rechargable toothbrush? Or the USB > "personal massager"? > > *sigh* I've got two memory stick things, a T21 with one USB port, and a > USB hub that can be powered or unpowered. One of the memory sticks only > works if the hub is powered, the other only works if it is unpowered. > Either works if plugged directly into the T21. That's an amazing USB hub. Are you sure it isn't a toothbrush? Maybe you need to reboot a couple of times or floss. brucee ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 0:22 ` [9fans] wireless USB mice? Adrian Tritschler 2005-01-07 0:49 ` Bruce Ellis @ 2005-01-07 1:07 ` Charles Forsyth 2005-01-07 4:46 ` Ronald G. Minnich 2005-01-07 1:52 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-01-08 7:12 ` Kenji Okamoto 3 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-07 1:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >>You object to a USB powered rechargable toothbrush? Or the USB >>"personal massager"? had more interesting devices been available at the time (other than mouse and keyboard, a non-standard hub, and a completely non-standard videocam) i still claim i'd have done a better job. indeed, owing to the lack of interesting devices, i was forced to acquire a standalone personal massager. recently, however (all right, over christmas), i discovered that amusing gadget supply had much improved (and i gave several as gifts) so i've now got an incentive to fix up the old crud i left behind. i'm replacing it by new crud. mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha! more seriously, once you see what USB actually does, you'd be amazed at how much protocol is required. 9P rulez! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 1:07 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-07 4:46 ` Ronald G. Minnich 2005-01-07 5:27 ` geoff 2005-01-08 5:09 ` Martin C.Atkins 0 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Ronald G. Minnich @ 2005-01-07 4:46 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Charles Forsyth wrote: > more seriously, once you see what USB actually does, you'd be amazed at > how much protocol is required. 9P rulez! yes, sadly, usb was a botch from day one. I've never figured out how they managed to mess it up so badly. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 4:46 ` Ronald G. Minnich @ 2005-01-07 5:27 ` geoff 2005-01-07 14:48 ` Ronald G. Minnich 2005-01-08 5:09 ` Martin C.Atkins 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: geoff @ 2005-01-07 5:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > I've never figured out how they managed to mess it up so badly. Wasn't USB a committee design? Think OSI/X.400/X.500: design it all on paper first and by committee, without any feedback from reality. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 5:27 ` geoff @ 2005-01-07 14:48 ` Ronald G. Minnich 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Ronald G. Minnich @ 2005-01-07 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 geoff@collyer.net wrote: > Wasn't USB a committee design? Think OSI/X.400/X.500: design it all > on paper first and by committee, without any feedback from reality. yeah, and I think the same guys did infiniband. ron ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 4:46 ` Ronald G. Minnich 2005-01-07 5:27 ` geoff @ 2005-01-08 5:09 ` Martin C.Atkins 2005-01-10 14:45 ` Wes Kussmaul 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Martin C.Atkins @ 2005-01-08 5:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 21:46:07 -0700 (MST) "Ronald G. Minnich" <rminnich@lanl.gov> wrote: > On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > > more seriously, once you see what USB actually does, you'd be amazed at > > how much protocol is required. 9P rulez! > > yes, sadly, usb was a botch from day one. I've never figured out how they > managed to mess it up so badly. There already was a perfectly good "Universal" connector and protocol standard, called RJ45 and "ethernet", and power-over-ethernet was just about to solve the power problem. There was even some software support existing for this standard. OK maybe it wasn't ideal for the purpose, but surely (given the frequency with which these things are changed for no very good reason) it couldn't have been too hard to 'fix' it. I believe POE can supply more power to devices than USB too. Just think how many programmers wouldn't have had to spend time writing all the new protocols! Just think of all the other things they could have done with that time... On second thoughts, perhaps USB saved the world! :-) And another pet complaint of mine: given that we now have USB/USB2 (and/or ethernet), why, oh why do we need: Compact Flash, smartmedia, MMC, SD, XD, memory stick (version 1 and 2), and probably half a dozen other formats that have popped up since I was last looking? About the only people this helps are the multi-format reader makers! I know the arguments about consumer choice, but sometimes "the competitive marketplace" is just c**p. Martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-08 5:09 ` Martin C.Atkins @ 2005-01-10 14:45 ` Wes Kussmaul 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Wes Kussmaul @ 2005-01-10 14:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Martin C.Atkins wrote: >I know the arguments about consumer choice, but sometimes "the >competitive marketplace" is just c**p. > > It always has been c**p, at least since I watched IBM and Burroughs manipulate the perceptions of decision makers in the late sixties. It was easy then, because to nearly everyone who purchased hardware or software it was all pure magic. They must work harder at it these days, because more people see through it. Specifically, of the three sets of buyers -- 1) those who see through it because they understand the technology, 2) those who see through it just because they've become familiar with how computers and their vendors work, and 3) those who are clueless -- huge numbers of people have gone from the third group to the second. Before the age of Apache etc. it was pointless for knowledgeable people to try to get past the FUD factor, for instance with the message about POE and the resulting simplification of the infrastructure. Today it is different, people will listen. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 0:22 ` [9fans] wireless USB mice? Adrian Tritschler 2005-01-07 0:49 ` Bruce Ellis 2005-01-07 1:07 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-07 1:52 ` Skip Tavakkolian 2005-01-08 7:12 ` Kenji Okamoto 3 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-01-07 1:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > You object to a USB powered rechargable toothbrush? Or the USB > "personal massager"? Reminds me of another philosophical discussion I once heard: Q. Why did God create Man? A. Because the USB "personal massager" can't mow the lawn. We can all take comfort in that. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-07 0:22 ` [9fans] wireless USB mice? Adrian Tritschler ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-01-07 1:52 ` Skip Tavakkolian @ 2005-01-08 7:12 ` Kenji Okamoto 2005-01-08 12:17 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz ` (2 more replies) 3 siblings, 3 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-01-08 7:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Plan9 reference? I can't seem to get either of them to work with plan9. > (probably operator error) As none replies this... usb/usbd usb/usbsfs if necessary disk/fdisk -p /n/ums/data get something like: part dos 32 63936 dossrv -f /n/ums/data:32 usbdisk mount -c /srv/usbdisk /n/d I randomly tried two kinds of USB device, such as 32MB ClipDrive(Buffalo) and 128MB DataStick (ADTEC, USB 2.0). The former needs fdisk operation, and the latter doen't. For both, usbsfs command fail once, then, kill the failed process, and re-dipatch the same command, then, it getts success. Kenji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-08 7:12 ` Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-01-08 12:17 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz 2005-01-08 12:59 ` Charles Forsyth 2005-01-09 22:30 ` Richard Miller 2005-01-09 23:37 ` Adrian Tritschler 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz @ 2005-01-08 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs USB 2.0 isn't supported is it?. Probably the strange behaviour of the second disk has to do with it changing mode to backwards compatibility with 1.0... Just guessing. G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenji Okamoto" <okamoto@granite.cias.osakafu-u.ac.jp> To: <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 8:12 AM Subject: Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? >> Plan9 reference? I can't seem to get either of them to work with plan9. >> (probably operator error) > > As none replies this... > > usb/usbd > usb/usbsfs > if necessary > disk/fdisk -p /n/ums/data > get something like: > part dos 32 63936 > dossrv -f /n/ums/data:32 usbdisk > mount -c /srv/usbdisk /n/d > > I randomly tried two kinds of USB device, such as 32MB ClipDrive(Buffalo) > and > 128MB DataStick (ADTEC, USB 2.0). The former needs fdisk operation, and > the > latter doen't. For both, usbsfs command fail once, then, kill the failed > process, and re-dipatch the same command, then, it getts success. > > Kenji > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-08 12:17 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz @ 2005-01-08 12:59 ` Charles Forsyth 2005-01-10 21:10 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-08 12:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >>USB 2.0 isn't supported is it?. Probably the strange behaviour of the second >>disk has to do with it changing mode to backwards compatibility with 1.0... >>Just guessing. i don't 2.0/1.0 is relevant. (the things are barely intelligent for 1.x, let alone things like split transactions for 2.0.) i've got quite a few storage devices to test now. (many other things as well, but that's another matter.) some advertise subclass 5, others subclass 6. most of them are bulk-only. some work provided Bulk Reset is not used. some stall the reply to every `transparent scsi' command. i'm trying to understand the devices that cause the last case, because it's the most mysterious, since i can't see what we're doing wrong, even by comparison with Linux source (as i work out how it's put together). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-08 12:59 ` Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-10 21:10 ` Charles Forsyth 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Charles Forsyth @ 2005-01-10 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans >>i don't [think] 2.0/1.0 is relevant. (the things are barely intelligent for 1.x, let >>alone things like split transactions for 2.0.) and that was indeed the case. i'm still exploring the mess. now, my chosen devices speak, but they haven't yet got much to say. some of the usb device-chip implementations are perhaps best described as conformancy-challenged: not just usb but scsi. infamy! infamy! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-08 7:12 ` Kenji Okamoto 2005-01-08 12:17 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz @ 2005-01-09 22:30 ` Richard Miller 2005-01-11 2:20 ` Kenji Okamoto 2005-01-09 23:37 ` Adrian Tritschler 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Richard Miller @ 2005-01-09 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > For both, usbsfs command fail once, then, kill the failed > process, and re-dipatch the same command, then, it getts success. This can be corrected if you edit usb/storage/usbsfs.c and change if (SRrcapacity(ums, data) == -1) to if (SRrcapacity(ums, data) == -1 && SRrcapacity(ums, data) == -1) To make the new stricter compiler happy, you may also have to add these two lines to the beginning of usb/storage/scsireq.h: typedef struct UMS Ums; #pragma incomplete Ums -- Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-09 22:30 ` Richard Miller @ 2005-01-11 2:20 ` Kenji Okamoto 2005-01-11 2:22 ` Kenji Okamoto 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-01-11 2:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 329 bytes --] Hi Richard, I'm using this new version usbsfs.c. After I saw many people are using usb storage without problem, I rechecked my devices, and found I have no problem if I use us/usbsfs command with -d option. Yes, in this case, the devices don't stall anymore, however, without this option, those stall once. Kenji [-- Attachment #2: Type: message/rfc822, Size: 3646 bytes --] From: Richard Miller <9fans@hamnavoe.com> To: 9fans@cse.psu.edu Subject: Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2005 22:30:16 0000 Message-ID: <e6b767f170390fc9035cba2ce60e7c29@hamnavoe.com> > For both, usbsfs command fail once, then, kill the failed > process, and re-dipatch the same command, then, it getts success. This can be corrected if you edit usb/storage/usbsfs.c and change if (SRrcapacity(ums, data) == -1) to if (SRrcapacity(ums, data) == -1 && SRrcapacity(ums, data) == -1) To make the new stricter compiler happy, you may also have to add these two lines to the beginning of usb/storage/scsireq.h: typedef struct UMS Ums; #pragma incomplete Ums -- Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-11 2:20 ` Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-01-11 2:22 ` Kenji Okamoto 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Kenji Okamoto @ 2005-01-11 2:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans Awawawa, this should be sent to Richard personally. Sorry, everyone. _o_ Kenji ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-08 7:12 ` Kenji Okamoto 2005-01-08 12:17 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz 2005-01-09 22:30 ` Richard Miller @ 2005-01-09 23:37 ` Adrian Tritschler 2005-01-10 8:43 ` Richard Miller 2 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Adrian Tritschler @ 2005-01-09 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kenji Okamoto wrote: |>Plan9 reference? I can't seem to get either of them to work with plan9. |> (probably operator error) | | | As none replies this... | | usb/usbd | usb/usbsfs | if necessary | disk/fdisk -p /n/ums/data | get something like: | part dos 32 63936 | dossrv -f /n/ums/data:32 usbdisk | mount -c /srv/usbdisk /n/d Thank you, but I don't seem to have usb/usbsfs on my machine.. More USB silliness http://www.dynamism.com/iduck/ http://www.dynamism.com/sushidisk/ | I randomly tried two kinds of USB device, such as 32MB ClipDrive(Buffalo) and | 128MB DataStick (ADTEC, USB 2.0). The former needs fdisk operation, and the | latter doen't. For both, usbsfs command fail once, then, kill the failed | process, and re-dipatch the same command, then, it getts success. | Kenji - --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:ajft@ajft.org Latitude 38°S, Longitude 145°E, Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44 - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB4cAyIRiOsXzK05QRAja6AJ4kC98Lx2WTZmOAnU/y3SSp/AucowCg8rK8 qoqB+qvCuGZ1n+DjQDNz3pA= =R7ei -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-09 23:37 ` Adrian Tritschler @ 2005-01-10 8:43 ` Richard Miller 2005-01-12 23:42 ` Adrian Tritschler 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Richard Miller @ 2005-01-10 8:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > Thank you, but I don't seem to have usb/usbsfs on my machine.. It's now in /n/sources/miller/usb/storage - still work in progress, but some people have found it useful. If you find a USB storage device it doesn't work for, please try 'usbsfs -d' and send me the output. -- Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-10 8:43 ` Richard Miller @ 2005-01-12 23:42 ` Adrian Tritschler 2005-01-13 22:16 ` Richard Miller 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Adrian Tritschler @ 2005-01-12 23:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Richard Miller wrote: |>Thank you, but I don't seem to have usb/usbsfs on my machine.. | It's now in /n/sources/miller/usb/storage - still work in progress, | but some people have found it useful. Ah, thanks for that. Looks like I've got myself some USB devices from the wrong parts of the bell curve :-) If this helps further on, I'm booting an IBM thinkpad T21 from /386/9pcdisk (from sources). Kernel reports #U/usb0: uhci: port 0x1C20 irq 11 Following Kenji Okamoto's suggestions: Using the "Swann MultiHUB" (4-port USB hub), powered from its plugback, two USB memory sticks (but only one at a time was plugged in), there is also a USB mouse plugged into the hub. KeyA "JetFlash 1GB" =================== A USB 2.0 device, I think its power requirements mean that it has to be plugged into an external hub, the T21 cannot provide enough power through the USB port. | usb/usbd | usb/usbsfs | if necessary | disk/fdisk -p /n/ums/data | get something like: | part dos 32 63936 there is no /n/ums following the first two commands. | dossrv -f /n/ums/data:32 usbdisk | mount -c /srv/usbdisk /n/d usb/usbsfs -d gives: unknown% usb/usbd unknown% usb/usbsfs -d pdesc 3.-1 [18] desc 3.-1 [18] 0x01: usb (bcd)0200 class 0 subclass 0 proto 0 [0.0.0] max0 64 vendor 0xea0 product 0x2168 device (bcd)0200 man 1 prod 2 serial 3 nconfig 1 pdesc 3.0 [39] desc 3.0 [9] 0x02: config 1: tdlen 39 ninterface 1 iconfig 0 attr 0x80 power 300mA desc 3.0 [9] 0x04: interface 0: alt 0 nept 3 class 0x8 subclass 0x6 proto 80 [8.6.80] iinterface 0 desc 3.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x81 attrib 0x02 maxpkt 64 interval 0ms [IN] [Bulk] desc 3.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x02 attrib 0x02 maxpkt 64 interval 0ms [OUT] [Bulk] desc 3.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x83 attrib 0x03 maxpkt 2 interval 1ms [IN] [Interrupt] cmd: 12 00 00 00 ff 00 datalen: 255 status: 00 residue: 219 cmd: 1b 00 00 00 01 00 datalen: 0 status: 00 residue: 0 cmd: 25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 datalen: 8 status: 00 residue: 0 KeyB "JungSOFT PSD-64N 64MB" ============================ | usb/usbd | usb/usbsfs - - never returns to the prompt, after about five minutes I pulled the USB key out and get usbscsi: data input: i/o error usbscsi: read status: i/o error status 0xFFFFFFFD usb/usbsfs: device error usb/usbsfs -d gives: unknown% usb/usbd unknown% usb/usbsfs -d pdesc 3.-1 [18] desc 3.-1 [18] 0x01: usb (bcd)0110 class 0 subclass 0 proto 0 [0.0.0] max0 8 vendor 0x121e product 0x2001 device (bcd)0100 man 0 prod 0 serial 0 nconfig 1 pdesc 3.0 [39] desc 3.0 [9] 0x02: config 1: tdlen 39 ninterface 1 iconfig 0 attr 0x80 power 100mA desc 3.0 [9] 0x04: interface 0: alt 0 nept 3 class 0x8 subclass 0x6 proto 80 [8.6.80] iinterface 0 desc 3.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x81 attrib 0x02 maxpkt 64 interval 0ms [IN] [Bulk] desc 3.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x02 attrib 0x02 maxpkt 64 interval 0ms [OUT] [Bulk] desc 3.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x83 attrib 0x03 maxpkt 8 interval 255ms [IN] [Interrupt] cmd: 12 00 00 00 ff 00 datalen: 255 ***stalls here**** Retrying without the hub KeyA "JetFlash 1GB" =================== unknown% usb/usbd unknown% usb/usbsfs usbscsi: data input: usb endpoint stalled usbscsi: data input: usb endpoint stalled usb/usbsfs: device error KeyB "JungSOFT PSD-64N 64MB" ============================ Same behaviour, usbsfs never returns. unknown% usb/usbd unknown% usb/usbsfs -d pdesc 1.-1 [18] desc 1.-1 [18] 0x01: usb (bcd)0110 class 0 subclass 0 proto 0 [0.0.0] max0 8 vendor 0x121e product 0x2001 device (bcd)0100 man 0 prod 0 serial 0 nconfig 1 pdesc 1.0 [39] desc 1.0 [9] 0x02: config 1: tdlen 39 ninterface 1 iconfig 0 attr 0x80 power 100mA desc 1.0 [9] 0x04: interface 0: alt 0 nept 3 class 0x8 subclass 0x6 proto 80 [8.6.80] iinterface 0 desc 1.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x81 attrib 0x02 maxpkt 64 interval 0ms [IN] [Bulk] desc 1.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x02 attrib 0x02 maxpkt 64 interval 0ms [OUT] [Bulk] desc 1.0 [7] 0x05: addr 0x83 attrib 0x03 maxpkt 8 interval 255ms [IN] [Interrupt] cmd: 12 00 00 00 ff 00 datalen: 255 | If you find a USB storage device it doesn't work for, please try | 'usbsfs -d' and send me the output. Here it is, hope its useful. | -- Richard Adrian - --------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Tritschler mailto:ajft@ajft.org Latitude 38°S, Longitude 145°E, Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44 - --------------------------------------------------------------- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB5bXKIRiOsXzK05QRAnOKAJ9rMirUD2gboKzyoqm82YUdbec9tgCcCSCd 4DlKOEDO+8dE6z2jF+cxbv8= =3FZ9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] wireless USB mice? 2005-01-12 23:42 ` Adrian Tritschler @ 2005-01-13 22:16 ` Richard Miller 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Richard Miller @ 2005-01-13 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9fans > If this helps further on, I'm booting an IBM thinkpad T21 from > /386/9pcdisk (from sources). Me too. > KeyA "JetFlash 1GB" The 'usbsfs -d' output looks like a successful initialisation; I can't see why there's no /n/ums at this point - unless perhaps you are trying to look at it from a window with a different namespace? Does the usbsfs command exit and leave you with a shell prompt or do you have to interrupt it? > KeyB "JungSOFT PSD-64N 64MB" > ... > cmd: 12 00 00 00 ff 00 datalen: 255 > ***stalls here**** Possibly the SCSI Inquiry is failing because too much data is requested. Could you try changing the ScsiReq definition in scsireq.h from uchar sense[MaxDirData]; /* returned sense data */ uchar inquiry[MaxDirData]; /* returned inquiry data */ to uchar sense[18]; /* returned sense data */ uchar inquiry[36]; /* returned inquiry data */ and see if that helps? -- Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-05 8:07 [9fans] wireless USB mice? Aharon Robbins 2005-01-05 8:17 ` Tiit Lankots 2005-01-05 14:05 ` boyd, rounin @ 2005-01-05 20:03 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2005-01-05 21:25 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz 2005-01-06 0:49 ` Federico Benavento 2 siblings, 2 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Antonio Vazquez Araujo @ 2005-01-05 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Hello all. I am translating the docs to spanish. By the moment, I have finalized with: "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" "The Use of Name Spaces in Plan 9" 1- Looking for anybody interested giving some help. 2- I have a problem with troff: work is in utf-8, but accents dont work. 3- There is any place in the system to put the docs for revision? THANKS. Happy new year 2009. Antonio. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-05 20:03 ` [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish Antonio Vazquez Araujo @ 2005-01-05 21:25 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz 2005-01-07 9:07 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2005-01-06 0:49 ` Federico Benavento 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz @ 2005-01-05 21:25 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs I think alcortes has some done, ask him, because he did translate something. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Antonio Vazquez Araujo" <nu-eve@mundo-r.com> To: "Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs" <9fans@cse.psu.edu> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish > Hello all. > I am translating the docs to spanish. > By the moment, I have finalized with: > > "Plan 9 from Bell Labs" > "The Use of Name Spaces in Plan 9" > > 1- Looking for anybody interested giving some help. > 2- I have a problem with troff: work is in utf-8, but accents dont work. > 3- There is any place in the system to put the docs for revision? > > THANKS. > > Happy new year 2009. > > Antonio. > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-05 21:25 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz @ 2005-01-07 9:07 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2005-01-10 20:53 ` Alberto Cortes 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Antonio Vazquez Araujo @ 2005-01-07 9:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Thanks. Do you know the alcortes e-mail? Antonio. Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz wrote: > I think alcortes has some done, ask him, because he did translate > something. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-07 9:07 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo @ 2005-01-10 20:53 ` Alberto Cortes 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: Alberto Cortes @ 2005-01-10 20:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 10:07:17 +0000, Antonio Vazquez Araujo wrote: > Thanks. Do you know the alcortes e-mail? > Antonio. Hola Antonio. I will send you what i did in an off-list email. -- http://montoya.aig.uc3m.es/~acortes/index.html ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-05 20:03 ` [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2005-01-05 21:25 ` Gorka Guardiola Múzquiz @ 2005-01-06 0:49 ` Federico Benavento 2005-01-07 9:10 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo 1 sibling, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Federico Benavento @ 2005-01-06 0:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > 1- Looking for anybody interested giving some help. I could do some revision work. > 2- I have a problem with troff: work is in utf-8, but accents dont work. I have problems with accents with gnu´s troff, but none with the plan9´s troff. -- Federico G. Benavento ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-06 0:49 ` Federico Benavento @ 2005-01-07 9:10 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo 2005-01-07 19:35 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 1 reply; 36+ messages in thread From: Antonio Vazquez Araujo @ 2005-01-07 9:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Federico Benavento, Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs Thanks for you revision interest. I will put the docs in some place in the system the next week, I think. If not, I will send you the drafts. With troff, I have a problem: I write in utf-8, but the accents dont work. I think the problem is a troff macro called s. There is in it some lines refering to accents. Federico Benavento wrote: >>1- Looking for anybody interested giving some help. > > I could do some revision work. > > >>2- I have a problem with troff: work is in utf-8, but accents dont work. > > I have problems with accents with gnu´s troff, but none with the plan9´s troff. > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
* Re: [9fans] Translating Plan 9 docs to spanish 2005-01-07 9:10 ` Antonio Vazquez Araujo @ 2005-01-07 19:35 ` boyd, rounin 0 siblings, 0 replies; 36+ messages in thread From: boyd, rounin @ 2005-01-07 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs > With troff, I have a problem: I write in utf-8, but the accents dont > work. I think the problem is a troff macro called s. There is in it some > lines refering to accents. i ran into a quasi-related problem. this might help: http://www.insultant.net/repo/plan9/ralph.c ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 36+ messages in thread
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