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From: Lucio De Re <lucio@proxima.alt.za>
To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@cse.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [9fans] Second class citizenship (Was: writing code)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 20:14:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4218D388.6060002@proxima.alt.za> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <362f4fdd6ec6448d050c7a0d78318c05@vitanuova.com>



rog@vitanuova.com wrote:

>i'm not sure i agree.  if you can always contact your authentication
>and file servers, the current plan 9 model works fine, but i think the
>idea of universal global interconnect isn't realistic.  firewalls are
>ubiquitous.  network coverage is patchy (and probably always will be).
>
>
>
As I see it, network coverage has no alternative but to improve.  In my
opinion, there is growing pressure for mobile telephony networks to
become more and more reliable and pervasiveness is already great and can
only be extended.  I speak from Africa, where cell phones have (I could
be wrong, but I think it's true) overtaken landlines.

I agree that firewalls and other obstacles exist, but they serve a need
that Plan 9 already addresses in a much more sensible fashion.  In other
words, laptops are misused and the alternatives exist (I presume Plan 9
is one, Inferno another, there may be more) and will eventually be
discovered.  Call me an optimist, but all it takes is for some
influential personality to discover a better way to do things and the
entire fashion swings.

For example, Mark Shuttleworth used to carry extremely valuable
information in his laptop (I'm not sure I should reveal exactly what).
Were he to discover a more secure way of doing the same today, he is
sufficiently influential in South Africa to set at least a local trend.
Here, between GPRS and G3, 'Net access over mobile phones is pretty
good, at a premium.  Certainly within the financial reach of a Mark
Shuttleworth.

++L



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-20 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-16 17:45 [9fans] Evolving rio / GUI development g01495
2005-02-16 17:56 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-16 19:15   ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-16 19:44     ` McLone
2005-02-17  5:50       ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-17  7:07         ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-17 17:15           ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-17 17:30             ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-17 17:36               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-17 17:42                 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-17 17:47                 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-17 17:53                   ` Russ Cox
2005-02-17 22:21                     ` [9fans] writing code rog
2005-02-17 22:29                       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18  1:27                         ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18  4:48                           ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18  4:51                             ` lucio
2005-02-18 18:22                               ` rog
2005-02-18 19:05                                 ` Paul Lalonde
2005-02-18 19:21                                   ` rog
2005-02-20 18:14                                 ` Lucio De Re [this message]
2005-02-20 18:24                                   ` [9fans] Second class citizenship (Was: writing code) boyd, rounin
2005-02-20 18:33                                     ` Lucio De Re
2005-02-20 18:37                                       ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-20 20:36                                         ` Joel Salomon
2005-02-21  4:30                                         ` lucio
2005-02-21  7:03                                           ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-21 16:59                                   ` rog
2005-02-22  3:59                                   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-22  4:34                                     ` lucio
2005-02-22  5:09                                       ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-21  7:10                                 ` [9fans] writing code Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21  7:26                                   ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21  7:48                                     ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21  8:00                                       ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 23:49                                       ` rog
2005-03-01  1:30                                         ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21 10:08                                     ` Richard Miller
2005-02-21 10:09                                     ` Steve Simon
2005-02-18 21:09                               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18  4:58                             ` Paul Lalonde
2005-02-18  5:12                               ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-18 14:57                                 ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18  5:01                           ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-18 19:34                           ` Tim Newsham
2005-02-18 19:49                             ` David Leimbach
2005-02-18 19:59                               ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-18 21:36                                 ` rog
2005-02-18 22:14                                   ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-19  9:15                                 ` David Leimbach
2005-02-19 20:20                                   ` Bruce Ellis
2005-05-08 16:15                             ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-17 22:52                       ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-17 23:12                         ` rog
2005-02-17 22:52                       ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-17 23:02                         ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-18  0:20                           ` jmk
2005-02-18  0:54                             ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-17 23:04                         ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-17 23:07                           ` rog
2005-02-17 23:17                             ` Christopher Nielsen
2005-02-17 23:33                               ` rog
2005-02-17 23:42                                 ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18  0:07                       ` Steve Simon
2005-02-18  1:20                       ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18  9:53                         ` C H Forsyth
2005-02-18 12:17                           ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-18  4:21                       ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 16:03                         ` rog
2005-02-18 16:04                         ` rog
2005-02-18 18:52                         ` rog
2005-02-18 19:01                           ` Russ Cox
     [not found]                             ` <53b78d28ce9ff18f6dc22cc280fc92ef@quintile.net>
2005-02-21 15:54                               ` Russ Cox
2005-02-18 19:50                           ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-18 20:42                             ` rog
2005-02-18 20:32                               ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-18 21:06                                 ` rog
2005-02-18 21:49                           ` McLone
2005-02-18 11:04                   ` [9fans] Evolving rio / GUI development Fco. J. Ballesteros
2005-02-18 12:29                     ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21  2:54                     ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-21  8:04                       ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-21  8:24                         ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 14:01                           ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-21 14:35                             ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2005-02-22  1:16                               ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-22  2:04                                 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-22  8:21                                 ` Matthias Teege
2005-02-21 14:36                             ` Gorka Guardiola
2005-02-21 15:52                               ` lucio
2005-02-22  0:37                                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-21 23:52                                   ` Chesky Salomon
2005-02-22  2:27                                     ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-22  4:12                               ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-21 15:20                             ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-21 16:01                             ` lucio
2005-02-22  8:07                               ` Matthias Teege
2005-02-22 13:52                                 ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-22 14:00                                   ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-22 14:10                                     ` David Tolpin
2005-02-22 14:15                                       ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-22 15:25                                         ` David Tolpin
2005-02-22 17:47                                     ` lucio
2005-02-22 14:09                                   ` Charles Forsyth
2005-02-23  5:55                                     ` Martin C.Atkins
2005-02-22 10:26                               ` Gorka Guardiola
2005-02-22 17:33                                 ` lucio
2005-02-22 19:40                                   ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-22 19:56                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23  0:17                                     ` C H Forsyth
2005-02-23 10:29                                       ` fgergo
2005-02-23 11:22                                         ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23  3:47                                     ` lucio
2005-02-23 13:17                                       ` Rob Pike
2005-02-23 13:19                                         ` Gorka Guardiola
2005-02-23 13:39                                           ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 13:43                                             ` Brantley Coile
2005-02-23 15:31                                             ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-23 15:37                                               ` Rob Pike
2005-02-23 15:53                                                 ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 16:06                                                   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-23 16:18                                                     ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-23 17:37                                                 ` Skip Tavakkolian
2005-02-23 16:19                                             ` David Leimbach
2005-02-23 16:50                                               ` Richard Miller
2005-02-24  0:11                                           ` Dave Lukes
2005-02-22 23:47                                   ` Steve Simon
2005-02-23  0:21                                     ` Andrew Simmons
2005-02-23  3:59                                     ` lucio
2005-02-23  6:03                                     ` Martin C.Atkins
2005-02-21 10:37                       ` Fco. J. Ballesteros
2005-02-18  3:50                 ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-18  7:10                   ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-02-18  7:17                     ` Bruce Ellis
2005-02-18 13:07                     ` Rob Pike
2005-02-18 21:23                   ` McLone
2005-03-03  3:47                 ` rog
2005-03-03  5:43                   ` arisawa
2005-03-03 17:12                     ` Sam
2005-03-03 18:11                       ` rog
2005-03-03 18:27                         ` Russ Cox
2005-03-03 18:54                           ` g01495
2005-03-03 19:43                             ` Charles Forsyth
2005-03-04 15:25                           ` arisawa
2005-03-04 16:19                           ` rog
2005-03-07  2:22                             ` Kenji Okamoto
2005-03-04  4:39                         ` Scott Schwartz
2005-02-17 20:00               ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-17 20:17                 ` boyd, rounin
2005-02-17 20:43                   ` McLone
2005-02-17 20:19                 ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-17 20:56                 ` g01495
2005-02-17 21:02                   ` Rob Pike
2005-02-17 22:35                     ` McLone
2005-02-17 22:39                       ` Russ Cox
2005-02-17 22:00                   ` Ronald G. Minnich
2005-02-17 22:08                     ` rog
2005-02-20 21:04                     ` geoff
2005-02-18 12:15                 ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-18 13:04                   ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-18 13:18                     ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-18 15:50                       ` Sergey Reva
2005-02-18 16:01                         ` Tiit Lankots
2005-02-17 17:41         ` McLone
2005-02-17 17:58           ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-16 18:31 ` Steve Simon
2005-02-16 18:37   ` andrey mirtchovski
2005-02-16 19:04     ` McLone
2005-02-16 18:59 ` McLone the Great
2005-02-17  2:24 ` Kenji Okamoto

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