* [9fans] mv vs cp
@ 2001-10-07 6:29 Lucio De Re
2001-10-07 6:42 ` Quinn Dunkan
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From: Lucio De Re @ 2001-10-07 6:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
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Am I being utterly obtuse, or does it really make sense to duplicate
then delete files when moving them to another directory?
I had the distribution archives in /dist under "kfs" and decided to do
the following:
% cd /dist
% mkdir plan9
% mv *.9gz plan9
the machine is still busy copying plan9.9gz :-(
In this case, a "rename" would have been appropriate. Is it not
possible to determine whether it would work and resort to cp+rm if
it doesn't?
In fact, a rename command would be an adequate compromise. I see
there's a "kfs" command called "rename" but the man page does not
specify its actual scope. Should I have used that (one file at the
time) instead?
++L
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* Re: [9fans] mv vs cp
2001-10-07 6:29 [9fans] mv vs cp Lucio De Re
@ 2001-10-07 6:42 ` Quinn Dunkan
2001-10-07 9:17 ` Lucio De Re
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From: Quinn Dunkan @ 2001-10-07 6:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
> Am I being utterly obtuse, or does it really make sense to duplicate
> then delete files when moving them to another directory?
mv does try to rename (uses dirwstat, I think), but you can only rename to the
same directory, check mv.c. There was a discussion a while back about how
hard cross directory renames are.
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* Re: [9fans] mv vs cp
2001-10-07 6:42 ` Quinn Dunkan
@ 2001-10-07 9:17 ` Lucio De Re
2001-10-07 9:26 ` Re[2]: " Matt
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From: Lucio De Re @ 2001-10-07 9:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
On Sat, Oct 06, 2001 at 11:42:15PM -0700, Quinn Dunkan wrote:
>
> mv does try to rename (uses dirwstat, I think), but you can only rename to the
> same directory, check mv.c. There was a discussion a while back about how
> hard cross directory renames are.
Sorry to be pig-headed about this, but I guess I'm spoilt (Boyd,
none of your sarcasm, please) with NetBSD doing it all for me.
Thing is, I may be representative of a largish community of spoilt
users, but there are also other considerations, for example, there
may not be enough space for the copy, a situation made worse by
the presence of a large time window in which race conditions can
occur.
Russ asks a pertinent question, how does one tell? I'm wondering,
not being too good at the innards of Plan 9 and/or the filesystem,
whether it would not be worth sacrificing the cleanliness of the
filesystem to the ability to know. Yes, it is a slippery slope:
once you can tell, why not move directories around, and so forth.
All I can say in self-defence is that user convenience is being
sacrificed here (I ought to know, but I can't remember how the
various Windows flavours deal with the problem) and the sacrifice
may be greater than the gain in simplicity.
I'm sure I'm wrong, but I never quite understood the underlying
limitation, so perhaps I can be pointed in the right direction and
I'll shut up for good.
++L
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* Re[2]: [9fans] mv vs cp
2001-10-07 9:17 ` Lucio De Re
@ 2001-10-07 9:26 ` Matt
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From: Matt @ 2001-10-07 9:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lucio De Re
LDR> All I can say in self-defence is that user convenience is being
LDR> sacrificed here (I ought to know, but I can't remember how the
LDR> various Windows flavours deal with the problem) and the sacrifice
LDR> may be greater than the gain in simplicity.
win2k doesn't copy the file
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* Re[2]: [9fans] mv vs cp
2001-10-11 1:06 okamoto
@ 2001-10-11 8:40 ` Matt
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From: Matt @ 2001-10-11 8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 9fans
>>Before you start saying that shared /tmp or all-mighty root are bad ideas,
ogcouaj> I hate all-mighty root user because s/he can read my mail box.
ogcouaj> Kenji
Don't worry Kenji, I never found anything interesting so stopped
looking at it
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